What if you want a different animal?

[Flbt]

The ph telling you to shoot the wrong animal post got me to thinking

What if you want a different animal?
How or who chose?

I remember watching it on a old tv hunt.
They were in Australia and on a water buff hunt.
The guide told him what one to shoot as a trophy.
But there was another bull or cow I don’t remember. That had horns that went extremely low down way more than anything else in the heard.
There was not much of a spread between the horn tips.
They talked about it after the hunter shot the one the guide told him to shoot.
He was allowed to take more buff.
And they desies to hunt that one.
They told the hunter that it was a unusual horn. Type but not a trophy.

That hunter wanted it because it was different.
If you want a set of horns that are not from a trophy or maybe even a cow. How would that work on a hunt?

I understand the cow part would probably be different between Africa and Australia because the water buff is a invasive vs natural.

 

[Doug3006]

The paying client always has the right to turn down an animal. You can’t make me shoot something that doesn’t appeal to me.

I believe most outfitters are more than happy to get you the trophy you want. In Namibia, I was told that German hunters highly prize nontypical animals. I’ve heard stories of hunters turning down fantastic trophies to look for a funky-horned one. This is as it should be. Beauty is in the eye….as they say.

A lot of preserve hunting operations have harvest goals, or certain animals they want removed. Some animals are not on the menu because they want them to continue as a part of the gene pool. This should be discussed and understood before signing a contract….certainly before getting out of the truck.

I was watching a Hornady Dark and Dangerous episode. They were hunting elephants in an area adjacent to Mana Pools. Out stepped an absolute monster bull. 100 pounds plus. They watched him feed and left him in peace. Apparently he’s a named elephant and a celebrity in Mana Pools. Although he was outside the park, he was off limits. Obviously the possibility was discussed before the hunt and everyone was cool with it.

 

[Sarg]

I normally talk to the hunter before we start, what does he/she want in a trophy, what species are on the list & if none typical or super old are seen, this unfortunately can change & normally a moment too late to actually take “that” beast !

It was great when the company I worked for had agents in the US & Europe, the European clients really cherished none typical & super old animals, when I saw these with US hunters who normally turned them down, I would log it in & go straight back with the next European hunter who were over joyed with a ancient busted up horned animal !

 

[wildwilderness]

Everything has a price. You Pay, you pick. The outfitter gets to set the price though

 

[Flbt]

The paying client always has the right to turn down an animal. You can’t make me shoot something that doesn’t appeal to me.

I believe most outfitters are more than happy to get you the trophy you want. In Namibia, I was told that German hunters highly prize nontypical animals. I’ve heard stories of hunters turning down fantastic trophies to look for a funky-horned one. This is as it should be. Beauty is in the eye….as they say.

A lot of preserve hunting operations have harvest goals, or certain animals they want removed. Some animals are not on the menu because they want them to continue as a part of the gene pool. This should be discussed and understood before signing a contract….certainly before getting out of the truck.

I was watching a Hornady Dark and Dangerous episode. They were hunting elephants in an area adjacent to Mana Pools. Out stepped an absolute monster bull. 100 pounds plus. They watched him feed and left him in peace. Apparently he’s a named elephant and a celebrity in Mana Pools. Although he was outside the park, he was off limits. Obviously the possibility was discussed before the hunt and everyone was cool with it.

Thanks for the info.
I was wondering because of the trophy fee
Thinking it might be less with a non trophy animal.
Or possibly management reasons.

I guess some stuff must run in the blood so to. Speak.
The only antlers in the house are the weard ones.
And my moms family go way back in Germany. Lol

 

[BryceM]

Well, most outfitters and PH will work with you. One of the skills to develop in life is being able to tell others what you’re looking for, especially if it’s a bit unconventional. If you can explain it well enough, people will often move heaven and earth to make it happen.

But, there are limits. Concessions have maximum quotas. Some places need to keep a few quality animals around for the late season. Your license only allows you to take what’s on it.

Last year, after already arriving in Namibia, I enquired about maybe adding a sable to my hunt. Well, my PH didn’t have any on his place but knew a guy who did. The problem was that sable wasn’t listed on my license, as there was no foreseeable way we would encounter one. This necessitated a trip to the government ministry office in Windhoek. I had to sign an affidavit that the animal hadn’t already been shot (it hadn’t), and with a bit of paperwork we were in business. License in hand, it all worked out on a neighbors farm. He is mounted, crated up, and should be “home” in a few weeks.

 

[grand veneur]

I normally talk to the hunter before we start, what does he/she want in a trophy, what species are on the list & if none typical or super old are seen, this unfortunately can change & normally a moment too late to actually take “that” beast !

It was great when the company I worked for had agents in the US & Europe, the European clients really cherished none typical & super old animals, when I saw these with US hunters who normally turned them down, I would log it in & go straight back with the next European hunter who were over joyed with a ancient busted up horned animal !

I also belong to this group of European hunters. It is due to our hunting training, which focuses primarily on shooting very young or very old, sick and abnormal animals in order to maintain a healthy genetic base in a limited game population. In addition, above all horns and antlers are hung on the wall.

 

[mark-hunter]

If you want a set of horns that are not from a trophy or maybe even a cow. How would that work on a hunt?

Tell what you want to PH, or even better, to the outfitter in advance.

There is a good chance you will be able to do what you want, unless the request is not reasonable, like too too-young animal, a pregnant cow, or similar.