What are the most EFFICIENT rifle cartridges?

Then, there is the .416 Taylor, using even less powder, to get 2,400fps, 72gr. IMR4320, IIRC. With more modern powders, even better, I suspect.
I have recently been informed that the standard .40 Whelen does the same, with even less powder. I have not seen the data on that though.
Agreed and quite honestly most "wildcats" are developed on the premise of action size and efficiency. I would not consider either of those mainstream caliber offerings. A guy could really go down the rabbit hole with current propriety calibers from Parkwest/Dakota and H & H in particular.
 
Then, there is the .416 Taylor, using even less powder, to get 2,400fps, 72gr. IMR4320, IIRC. With more modern powders, even better, I suspect.
I have recently been informed that the standard .40 Whelen does the same, with even less powder. I have not seen the data on that though.
That's the Whelen with the TINY shoulder, right?
 
Yes, it is. If you properly headspace your brass and leave the fireformed shoulder alone, there are no problems with it.
 
I'm nerdy enough to enjoy this kind of thing, so I thought I'd pull some data for the discussion.

Experimental design:

'Efficiency' in this context means converting chemical energy in the propellant into kinetic energy in the bullet as efficiently as possible. More bullet energy, less powder, less recoil.

One way to assess this is to look at the powder in various cartridges, and see how many ftlb of bullet energy each grain of powder yields for each.

This analysis could be translated across multiple powder types by getting specific energy for each powder type, converting it into KJ of chemical energy per load, then looking at KJ of 'useful' bullet energy for each

However, that's a lot of work, so I chose to simply pick one powder that works across lots of cartridges to eliminate all that data collation and math.

I chose VARGET, because it's a common powder that can be used in a lot of different cartridges. For the purpose of this study I'm 'assuming' that this is a highly suitable powder that yields equally good efficiency across all these applications. That's probably not a fair assumption, but this isn't a particularly in-depth look at this topic, so meh.

I chose book max values from the hornady manual, and selected a 'normal' sort of bullet weight for each. Obviously all cartridges selected needed to have a VARGET load, as did the specific bullet weight selected. This does limit the study a little in that anything extremely overbore, or underbore does not have a data point. So no 338lap, 50bmg, no 45 colt, sadly no NE cartridges, etc.

Data:
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Findings.

As a general rule, efficiency is improved as the bullet gets heavier.

There's a weaker correlation between velocity and efficiency (see 300savage vs 300WM as an example). This was surprising to me, as it goes against my initial assumption that 'trying to push a bullet faster and faster will always cost you efficiency'. It appears that just ain't so.

It's also interesting that actual efficiency is pretty similar in almost all cartridges this study looks at, with the possible exception of the 6.5CM, the 204Ruger, and maybe the 375Ruger.

I'd argue that even these outliers might just be artefacts stemming from the fact these cartridges 'actually' are either really well suited to VARGET, or a really poorly matched cartridge for VARGET, as opposed to being a pure case design factor.

Spitballing on some possible causes for the trends seens, I'm 'assuming' that there's some inherent characteristics of bigger, heavier bullets and the cases that use them that lend themselves to efficiency.

This might have something to do with one or more of the following:

A bigger cartridge means less energy lost heating up the case and barrel as there's more 'space' between much of the hot gas and the cold barrel surfaces.

More efficient acceleration of the bullet due to a larger surface area of the base of the bullet as a proportion of total internal cartridge surface area.

A larger overall case may have proportionally less tensile strength, potentially leading to less energy expended on expanding the brass to fit the chamber, and also a better gas seal around the case.

A larger initial volume for expansion in bigger cases helps with complete combustion of powders and improves initial temperatures, leading to more efficient bullet acceleration

A heavier bullet has more inertia which keeps the hot gases in a smaller area for just a bit longer, again leading to slightly more efficient combustion

Maybe something going on with the larger volume of the area 'behind' the bullet for expansion of gases.

The weaker trends around simple velocity vs efficiency make me think that it's not 'simply' that heavy bullets go slower, and therefore there's less frictional losses and less efficient acceleration as the bullet gets 'just a bit closer' to the maximum expansion rate of the expanding gases.

It'd be interesting to look at some heavy bullet, high velocity cartridges, see if this trend holds out. 50BMG as an example. It'd also be interesting to look at some really slow, heavy bullet stuff like 45Colt, see if velocity or pressure do actually have much effect.

It'd also be interesting to explore 'the same case, with different bullet weights', see if it's more to do with cross sectional area of the bullet and internal surface area of the case, or pure mass being accelerated.

I think digging into more detail across powders might prove that really, it's more to do with matching the 'correct' powder to the 'correct' case design than it is the intrinsic design itself. That too would be an interesting follow up.

For the purposes of 'general' trends towards efficiency, I think you'd want to look at cartridges offering the following:
- A big heavy bullet
- Not massively overbore, but also not massively low pressure.
- Probably a bullet on the higher end of weights for the cartridge that offers 'reasonable' but not crazy velocities in the 2500fps range.
 
By efficient, I mean which cartridges move a bigger bullet with less powderl, while providing greater velocity without increased powder capacity. For example, a 30'06 will move an equal weight of bullet faster and with less pressure than a 270 with equal loading, while a 35 Whelen will move a bigger bullet than the 30'06 at velocity for the heavy weight that the 30'06 can't match without exceeding safe pressure. (as well as the '06 requiring more powder to try and match it)
It seems to me that the more a cartridge is necked down, the less efficient it becomes? Yet we can't all just shoot straight walls, can we?
I also sometimes confuse a "balanced load" with an efficient load. A 7X57 is balanced--recoil is such that you could probably shoot it off your chin, yet it is a great killer in the field. But an 8x57 can launch a bigger payload (though with more recoil) and a 9.3X57 greater still. Is this why the 358 Win. is so good in performance?

What are your votes for most efficient cartridges? This may accidentally or otherwise pit magnums vs non-magnums.
Great post! To me you hit the nail on the head “ the least powder for a desired FPS”. To me this is more about powder. For example in the 470 NE 80 grains of IMR3031 gives 2150 FPS versus the H4831 needing 112 grains to get the 2150 FPS
 
Great post! To me you hit the nail on the head “ the least powder for a desired FPS”. To me this is more about powder. For example in the 470 NE 80 grains of IMR3031 gives 2150 FPS versus the H4831 needing 112 grains to get the 2150 FPS
I agree 100 % that it’s all in the powder. With modern powder the playing fields between magnums/ultra magnums and standard cartridges has been almost leveled. It simply comes down to the psychological aspect.
 
By efficient, I mean which cartridges move a bigger bullet with less powderl, while providing greater velocity without increased powder capacity. For example, a 30'06 will move an equal weight of bullet faster and with less pressure than a 270 with equal loading, while a 35 Whelen will move a bigger bullet than the 30'06 at velocity for the heavy weight that the 30'06 can't match without exceeding safe pressure. (as well as the '06 requiring more powder to try and match it)
It seems to me that the more a cartridge is necked down, the less efficient it becomes? Yet we can't all just shoot straight walls, can we?
I also sometimes confuse a "balanced load" with an efficient load. A 7X57 is balanced--recoil is such that you could probably shoot it off your chin, yet it is a great killer in the field. But an 8x57 can launch a bigger payload (though with more recoil) and a 9.3X57 greater still. Is this why the 358 Win. is so good in performance?

What are your votes for most efficient cartridges? This may accidentally or otherwise pit magnums vs non-magnums.
@steve white
Compared to the 257 Weatherby my 25 is extremely efficient
To move a 100gn bullet at 3,500 fps in the Bee takes 74 gn of H4831 whereas mine was doing a similar speed with the same powder and 58gn but with the same charge of superformance the velocity is 3,500+ fps.
The Whelen uses less powder than the 338 win mag to launch the same weight bullets at a similar or faster speeds.
Bob
 
I know that some.of the gun writers of the past were fixated on the concept of what an efficient cartridge was. I am embarrassed to admit that I have never really understood the term. I had a kind of vague idea that it had something to do with moving a given bullet weight at a given speed while using less powder than another cartridge. I still don't know if that is correct. I'll be watching this thread to see what some of the more knowledgeable members have to say.
@Doug Hamilton
P.O. Ackley wrote a good deal in efficient cartridges in his AI conversions and stated that only a few really improved in velocities with modified cases. The rest weren't worth the effort for velocity gains but did improve case life.
He said at the time the 257 Roberts was the optimal case size for the 25 cal giving the best velocity per grain of powder..
Bob
 
Magnum cartridges below .375 caliber aren’t about efficiency; they’re about maximizing power at longer distances. That’s why I say if you really need a magnum just a get a full length magnum and let it rip. If you want efficiency, cartridges like 7x57mm, .308 Winchester, and .35 Whelen will get it done in their respective weight classes at ordinary distances.
@Red Tag
The Whelen will get it done at longer than ordinary distance when loaded to its potential.
Bob
 
I have a 35 Brown-Whelen I’m hopefully going to start playing with when the weather is warmer, essentially a 280 ai necked up to 35. It’s supposed to push the same bullets as the Whelen 200 or 300 fps faster, we’ll see.
@Noah_McCoy
Keep us posted on your development.
A brown- Whelen that ousheses a 259 grainer at up to 3,000fos would be interesting. The standard Whelen will do 2,700fps and with a 225gn will easily do 2,900fps
Bob
 

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