some photos of my 9.3x74r jefferys double rifle, and a hungarian boar

[AZDAVE]

Nice rifle, great caliber, beautiful wood and the wood to metal fit doesn't get any better than that. Don't ever let it go and put a exception in the will that it always has to stay in the family for at least 10 generations! For a rifle that nice half of the AH members would be willing to let you adopt them to have a chance to own such a fine rifle

 

[jand]

hi paul on the boar we never looked for them but they worked very well even on the biggest ones. here is a link explaining dates and legal stuff between brenneke and rws. the older rws ammo before the legal action that was loaded with the brenneke made bullets was buff tough , but when rws started making their copies they were lacking even on the bigger plains game animals zebra etc . rws admitted it and redesigned their bullets to be tougher but i havent used these newer ones. the original older ones as far as i can remember had no grooves around the jacket of the bullet behing the cutting edge, but the later rws made ones had 2 grooves behind the cutting edge as far as i can remember and this weakened them. i have an article in an african mag about these differences and i will try and find it and scan it for you. i have a few of the older ones in zambia but am saving them for best as you do...........the few of the not good ones i have left i use on certain things that hang out in the dam when they come over from the river these are ones i took to zambia a while ago and i havent seen any rws or brenneke in zambia so use norma , sako or pmp ammo in the 9.3 there now.

Rifle bullets
All Brenneke rifle bullets have a so-called torpedo-tail (German: Torpedo-Heck), a special form of boat-tail.

The best-known are

• TIG (German: Torpedo Ideal Geschoß), mainly a fragmentation bullet with a soft core for smaller game, developed in 1917-1927.[7]
• TUG (German: Torpedo Universal-Geschoß), mainly a deformation bullet with a hard core for bigger game, developed 1935.[8]

From 1935 to 2003, Brenneke concentrated on improving the Brenneke slug.[9] since 2003, the firm developed the

• TOG (German: Torpedo Optimal-Geschoß) (2003), a deformation-bullet for big game[10]
• TAG (German: Torpedo Alternativ-Geschoß) (2007), a lead-free deformation bullet.[11]

Lead-free versions of TIG and TUG are built as "TIG nature"[12] and "TUG nature".[13]

Brenneke TIG and TUG against RWS ID and UNI[edit]
From 1972 until 2006, those were manufactured and developed in license by RWS; in 2006, the license was not renewed, and RWS began marketing the bullets as ID-Classicresp. UNI-Classic from 1 July 2006 onward.[14] In February 2009, Brenneke declared it saw ID-Classic and UNI-classic as counterfeit consumer goods and launched a lawsuit against RUAG Amotec.[15]

Brenneke markets the bullets, as well as ammunition, from a different manufacturer under its own name now.

Thanks for the background Mike. Back in the early to mid 90's I have seen a lot of animals wounded by these TUG's. Actually most of my wounded Lions came from 9.3 x 74 TUG ammo. They must have been the RWS copies.
An absolutely great calibre though.

 

[PaulT]

hi paul on the boar we never looked for them but they worked very well even on the biggest ones. here is a link explaining dates and legal stuff between brenneke and rws. the older rws ammo before the legal action that was loaded with the brenneke made bullets was buff tough , but when rws started making their copies they were lacking even on the bigger plains game animals zebra etc . rws admitted it and redesigned their bullets to be tougher but i havent used these newer ones. the original older ones as far as i can remember had no grooves around the jacket of the bullet behing the cutting edge, but the later rws made ones had 2 grooves behind the cutting edge as far as i can remember and this weakened them. i have an article in an african mag about these differences and i will try and find it and scan it for you. i have a few of the older ones in zambia but am saving them for best as you do...........the few of the not good ones i have left i use on certain things that hang out in the dam when they come over from the river these are ones i took to zambia a while ago and i havent seen any rws or brenneke in zambia so use norma , sako or pmp ammo in the 9.3 there now.

Rifle bullets
All Brenneke rifle bullets have a so-called torpedo-tail (German: Torpedo-Heck), a special form of boat-tail.

The best-known are

• TIG (German: Torpedo Ideal Geschoß), mainly a fragmentation bullet with a soft core for smaller game, developed in 1917-1927.[7]
• TUG (German: Torpedo Universal-Geschoß), mainly a deformation bullet with a hard core for bigger game, developed 1935.[8]

From 1935 to 2003, Brenneke concentrated on improving the Brenneke slug.[9] since 2003, the firm developed the

• TOG (German: Torpedo Optimal-Geschoß) (2003), a deformation-bullet for big game[10]
• TAG (German: Torpedo Alternativ-Geschoß) (2007), a lead-free deformation bullet.[11]

Lead-free versions of TIG and TUG are built as "TIG nature"[12] and "TUG nature".[13]

Brenneke TIG and TUG against RWS ID and UNI[edit]
From 1972 until 2006, those were manufactured and developed in license by RWS; in 2006, the license was not renewed, and RWS began marketing the bullets as ID-Classicresp. UNI-Classic from 1 July 2006 onward.[14] In February 2009, Brenneke declared it saw ID-Classic and UNI-classic as counterfeit consumer goods and launched a lawsuit against RUAG Amotec.[15]

Brenneke markets the bullets, as well as ammunition, from a different manufacturer under its own name now.

Much appreciated Mike

I have several much more buffalo appropriate rifles but just wanted to know if in case I am presented an opportunity whilst hunting other game.
Whenever ill be hunting buff i'm usually on my own with no back-up luxury therefore no place for experimenting or finding out the "hard-way".

I've had the ammo for quite a long time, well before I ever got the rifle chambered for it and it may even fall into the suspect production time zone so I don't think i'll take any risks and save it for softer skinned game and make sure I have the .500 handy for any chances on buffalo.

Thanks again,
Paul