Solid before soft point

[Miletic]

Controlled expansion standard or heavy for caliber bullets only......no solids.....solids are for elephant and maybe hippo on land.....depending the situation.....

Thanks IvW.
Is there any chance of Solid breaking the hypo on a side hit?

 

[IvW]

Daga boy is approaching me at high speed.
I raise the carbine and shoot.
One bullet after another.
This is a situation I have thought about many times. I wonder if it is better that in say 416 rigby the first bullet is solid and the second soft? In which order do you who have had such situations put the bullets in the barrel? Thank you

I am assuming dg hunting here.....for DG SKS trails guides you are legally only permitted solids as elephant is the biggest threat during these safaris.....solid brass meplat solids are the only current option....we are busy looking at designing a solid brass meplat solid with a 45 degree recess in the front....to still have the penetration on jumbo but also create better performance on buff and lion on unwounded charge situations.....

 

[Miletic]

TSX first, then TSX second, then the PH shoots...

 

[375Fox]

I understand. I didn't use a-frame in Eu because it's too stiff. It just won't open up on small game. Like when you shoot them with FMJ

These are swift A frames from a buffalo. I’ve never seen them fail to perform exactly as designed in 30 caliber or 375. You won’t however see that big energy dump reaction you see from a soft bullet that sheds weight and fragments on impact. They are made to hold together while continuing to penetrate same with trophy bonded bear claw and I would suspect Northfork.

 

[375Fox]

You think Solid can shoot a buffalo when he hits it in the shoulder?

99% chance that bullet would be a clean pass through. I’ve shot 2 buffalo with solids. One was a frontal. It entered chest and we found on skin next to hip. Other was running away. Bullet entered left hip and exited right chest. 300 gr 375 H&H.

 

[Miletic]

These are swift A frames from a buffalo. I’ve never seen them fail to perform exactly as designed in 30 caliber or 375. You won’t however see that big energy dump reaction you see from a soft bullet that sheds weight and fragments on impact. They are made to hold together while continuing to penetrate same with trophy bonded bear claw and I would suspect Northfork.
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Beautiful mushrom

 

[Miletic]

99% chance that bullet would be a clean pass through. I’ve shot 2 buffalo with solids. One was a frontal. It entered chest and we found on skin next to hip. Other was running away. Bullet entered left hip and exited right chest. 300 gr 375 H&H.

I thought that a bullet could not pass through such a large animal. Then I have to be extremely careful when shooting.
I have been dealing with terminal ballistics for a long time and I know projectiles and their effect very well. Honestly, I thought it couldn't pass when it touched the bones in the body

 

[375Fox]

I thought that a bullet could not pass through such a large animal. Then I have to be extremely careful when shooting.
I have been dealing with terminal ballistics for a long time and I know projectiles and their effect very well. Honestly, I thought it couldn't pass when it touched the bones in the body

The reason swift, trophy bonded, and TSX are recommended for buffalo is because they do hold up well for a shoulder shot. TSX will sometimes exit though.
Solids might deflect on bone but they will continue to penetrate. Monolithic solids typically experience less deformation.

 

[Miletic]

John McAdams, Big Game Hunting Podcast, told his story of hunting buffalo. He loaded his gun with a soft in chamber, solids in the magazine. He shoots said buffalo, buffalo stands there with the herd, because he now only has solids in the gun he cannot take a follow up shot, herd and bull take off never to be seen again. For this reason I would load at least 2 softs then if you want 2 solids I get that. For me, I do not want the confusion of what I have loaded so I fill up my gun with either Aframes or TSX.

Yes, it can happen that another wild animal is standing directly behind the bull. You need to have the courage for one more bullet.

 

[Flipper Dude]

A TSX in the chamber followed by 4 more just like it.

 

[Miletic]

A TSX in the chamber followed by 4 more just like it.

 

[318AE]

These are swift A frames from a buffalo. I’ve never seen them fail to perform exactly as designed in 30 caliber or 375. You won’t however see that big energy dump reaction you see from a soft bullet that sheds weight and fragments on impact. They are made to hold together while continuing to penetrate same with trophy bonded bear claw and I would suspect Northfork.
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+1. It’s uncanny how you find them inside the hide on the far side, looking just like the picture on the box.

 

[coreydb]

Expanding bullet first followed by a solid. Whatever brand you choose to use, ensure they're deep penetrating. When you shoot, first aim carefully. Bullet placement first, bullets second. Remember that buffalos are bullet sponges.

 

[Miletic]

Expanding bullet first followed by a solid. Whatever brand you choose to use, ensure they're deep penetrating. When you shoot, first aim carefully. Bullet placement first, bullets second. Remember that buffalos are bullet sponges.

Yes, I know they are sponges.
That's why I posted this topic. I myself think that first I shoot a hard bullet in the head or shoulder while the daga boy is standing, and the second bullet with a softer construction, because then I will probably get a worse shot due to the movement of the animal and because of the adrenaline. I never let the adrenaline get the better of me before the first shot. The savage I know won me over after the second shot, but I can't vouch for Africa.

 

[Flipper Dude]

Put the 1st bullet where it needs to go. All will be fine afterwards. If you are not 100% sure where that is, or that you might not get it there, don’t take the shot. There will be other buffalo. Don’t take the first shot running, or quartering hard away, or Lord knows, up the rear. Especially from the left side. That’s the main reason I shoot buffalo at 30 yards or less.

Plus it’s just really cool

 

[375Fox]

Yes, I know they are sponges.
That's why I posted this topic. I myself think that first I shoot a hard bullet in the head or shoulder while the daga boy is standing, and the second bullet with a softer construction, because then I will probably get a worse shot due to the movement of the animal and because of the adrenaline. I never let the adrenaline get the better of me before the first shot. The savage I know won me over after the second shot, but I can't vouch for Africa.

That’s exact opposite of why things are done. You use a soft first because it’s presenting a good shot into vitals. If you have a PH that would like you to use solids, you use solids next because you don’t know the angle of shot presentation. Penetration is more important. You don’t use softer bullets for follow up. Flesh wounds on buffalo might bleed but they don’t kill them. Premium softs give the best of both penetration and tissue damage. Your options are a premium soft followed by solids or all premium softs. No experienced PH will allow you to load softer bullets in the magazine.

 

[Miletic]

Put the 1st bullet where it needs to go. All will be fine afterwards. If you are not 100% sure where that is, or that you might not get it there, don’t take the shot. There will be other buffalo. Don’t take the first shot running, or quartering hard away, or Lord knows, up the rear. Especially from the left side. That’s the main reason I shoot buffalo at 30 yards or less.

Plus it’s just really cool

Why not on the left side?
I now its COOL

 

[Miletic]

That’s exact opposite of why things are done. You use a soft first because it’s presenting a good shot into vitals. If you have a PH that would like you to use solids, you use solids next because you don’t know the angle of shot presentation. Penetration is more important. You don’t use softer bullets for follow up. Flesh wounds on buffalo might bleed but they don’t kill them. Premium softs give the best of both penetration and tissue damage. Your options are a premium soft followed by solids or all premium softs. No experienced PH will allow you to load softer bullets in the magazine.

So, my theory about the solidus definitely falls away.

 

[Flipper Dude]

A quartering away shot from the left rear will have a lot of rumen to pass through if it’s a little bit back from ideal. There is usually a bunch in a big ol bull.

 

[375Fox]

So, my theory about the solidus definitely falls away.

To be clear, what do you call a soft and a solid? You’re saying a lot that is against convention.
A soft is an expanding bullet both lead core and monolithic.
A solid is a non-expanding bullet both FMJ lead core and monolithic.