Pre64 Model 70, 30-06 to 458

Cable68

AH member
Joined
Aug 29, 2014
Messages
48
Reaction score
53
Media
3
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Member of
SCI,DSC,DU
Hunted
Namibia, RSA, Zim, Cameroon
Posted in the firearms section as well.

I now have a pre-64 action, stock and barrel blank. Action was originally a 30-06 (action is actually older than the WinMag family). Now choice is which 458 to turn it into. I'm leaning towards the Win Mag on the KISS ( keep it simple stupid) principle. More machining involved with the Lott, and therefore more chances for things to go wrong.

Any thoughts?
 

enysse

AH ambassador
Joined
Jan 20, 2009
Messages
11,679
Reaction score
4,234
Media
136
Hunting reports
Africa
8
USA/Canada
1
Member of
Northeast Wisconsin SCI chapter, Lifetime member of NRA,RMEF
Hunted
Namibia, South Africa (East Cape, Guateng and Limpopo)
Do you know a good gunsmith?
 

Cable68

AH member
Joined
Aug 29, 2014
Messages
48
Reaction score
53
Media
3
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Member of
SCI,DSC,DU
Hunted
Namibia, RSA, Zim, Cameroon
Had one, now I've moved; might take it back to him.
 

PHOENIX PHIL

AH ambassador
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
9,196
Reaction score
7,638
Media
54
Articles
2
Hunting reports
Africa
8
USA/Canada
2
Member of
SCI
Hunted
USA, S. Africa
Cable68,

If you don't mind sending it off to Arizona and perhaps waiting a little while, I've got a guy who specializes in taking pre-64 M70 actions and converting them to big bore African calibers. He has done this over and over and takes them to Africa where he sells them to PH's. Just let me know.

Phil
 

JTEX

AH veteran
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
164
Reaction score
147
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Member of
NRA, TSRA
Hunted
USA, Mexico, Argentina, SouthAfrica, Zimbabwe, Tanzania
Simple thing to do..... Just about any competent smith can open up the bolt face and fit the barrel.


.
 

IronCowboy

AH veteran
Joined
Apr 7, 2014
Messages
121
Reaction score
67
Location
Kansas
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Lott can be made to fit. I know the pre-64's were all the same length, so the shorter cartridge models simply had blocks in the rear of the mag, but I remember reading a time or two that they were all "long action" models, not magnum length. I suppose a guy can alter the port a bit and maybe get there, but for what it's worth, I'd probably stick with the .458WM (doing a similar project myself now on Ruger 77 actions).

You might also consider looking into simply finding a .532" boltface bolt, as these can occasionally be found for almost as cheap as having a CRF bolt face opened.
 

Cable68

AH member
Joined
Aug 29, 2014
Messages
48
Reaction score
53
Media
3
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Member of
SCI,DSC,DU
Hunted
Namibia, RSA, Zim, Cameroon
Phoenix Phil: definitely interested in someone who has done this before. Please post his info, or PM me some contact info.

I own 3 modern M70's, and I'm no expert on them, but I think the blocks in the mag boxes didn't come about until after 64. Feed rails will definitely need to be opened, and some metal removed from front and rear rings to get length for a Lott.

I've found pictures of the factory pre64's in H&H length and now understand the cutouts.
 

JTEX

AH veteran
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
164
Reaction score
147
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Member of
NRA, TSRA
Hunted
USA, Mexico, Argentina, SouthAfrica, Zimbabwe, Tanzania
If the 375 H&H would fit the Lott will too................. and they did build 375 H&H on the pre 65.


.
 

rookhawk

AH legend
Joined
Mar 4, 2015
Messages
3,253
Reaction score
4,458
Location
North America
Media
138
Articles
2
Member of
NRA Life Benefactor, Trout Unlimited, Safari Club International
Um, I don't think this will work very easily.

The 300H&H and 375 H&H were magnum actions, those would convert to 458 Lott or other magnums. Can a 30-06 long action model 70 be made into a magnum action? I'd think not?
 

Imbambala

AH member
Joined
Jun 2, 2015
Messages
33
Reaction score
23
Location
Grahamstown - South Africa
Member of
CHASA, Eastern Cape Game Management Association
Cable68,

If you don't mind sending it off to Arizona and perhaps waiting a little while, I've got a guy who specializes in taking pre-64 M70 actions and converting them to big bore African calibers. He has done this over and over and takes them to Africa where he sells them to PH's. Just let me know.

Phil

Phoenix Phil - Please could you send me the details for the gunsmith converting winchester action to dangerous game rifles.

I might be interested in a 404 jeffery on a pre 64 action.
 

PHOENIX PHIL

AH ambassador
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
9,196
Reaction score
7,638
Media
54
Articles
2
Hunting reports
Africa
8
USA/Canada
2
Member of
SCI
Hunted
USA, S. Africa
Phoenix Phil - Please could you send me the details for the gunsmith converting winchester action to dangerous game rifles.

I might be interested in a 404 jeffery on a pre 64 action.

I'm actually in your part of the world right now, but will be back in Phoenix on Sunday evening. I can get you that info then. Please ping me through PM if you haven't heard from me by middle of next week.
 

Imbambala

AH member
Joined
Jun 2, 2015
Messages
33
Reaction score
23
Location
Grahamstown - South Africa
Member of
CHASA, Eastern Cape Game Management Association
Thanks I will.
 

sbrmike

New member
Joined
Dec 29, 2015
Messages
4
Reaction score
4
Location
Potter County, PA
Member of
NRA Benefactor Member
Hunted
RSA, USA
All pre 64 Win 70 actions are long action receivers; they all have the same overall length and same guard screw spacing. The H&H actions were relieved front and rear in the mag well and ejection port area. The Standard 30-06 can be opened up the same way. The rear bridge scope mount holes will need changed as well.

The shorter cartridges in pre 64's used spacers in the magazine box, longer ejectors, and different extensions brazed to the extractor collar to shorten bolt travel. They were this way from 1936-1963.

The Win Mag actions had wider feed rails than all of the other receivers; this started in 1956 with the 458. These 458 receivers were the basis for the subsequent 338, 264, and 300 Win mag.

Different cartridges had different magazine boxes, follower combinations, and extractors.

Converting a standard to any magnum is best left to someone who knows what they are doing as these actions are getting scarcer by the day and costlier as well; not something to experiment with.
 

Dave Hawkins

AH member
Joined
Jul 11, 2015
Messages
15
Reaction score
24
Location
Lakeway, Texas U.S.A.
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Hunted
Namibia, South Africa
Cable 68, whatever happened? Phoenix Phil ever reply? You guys left us hanging. You're only thinking of yourselves!
 

PHOENIX PHIL

AH ambassador
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
9,196
Reaction score
7,638
Media
54
Articles
2
Hunting reports
Africa
8
USA/Canada
2
Member of
SCI
Hunted
USA, S. Africa
Cable 68, whatever happened? Phoenix Phil ever reply? You guys left us hanging. You're only thinking of yourselves!

I sure hope I did if he PM'd me. For those who would have interest here's the contact info:

John MacIvor
Home: 928-339-1869
Cell: 928-245-6183
 

Ray B

AH legend
Joined
Aug 19, 2016
Messages
2,593
Reaction score
2,988
Location
WA St, USA
Media
77
Hunting reports
USA/Canada
1
The 458 win mag fits into a standard pre-64 M70 with no adjustment to length. To get the Lott to fit the action needs to be opened up lengthwise to what the factory did for the action to accommodate the H&H series. If it were mine, I'd barrel it to the Win Mag and if I wanted a Lott I'd get an action that started out life as magnum length.
 

Dave Hawkins

AH member
Joined
Jul 11, 2015
Messages
15
Reaction score
24
Location
Lakeway, Texas U.S.A.
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Hunted
Namibia, South Africa
I'm interested in an action for a custom build 404 Jeff. I've been looking around for old military K98 and FN actions to use when I came across this thread. Now I'm wondering about trying to use a Model 70 action. If a magnum action is long enough, why not?
 

PHOENIX PHIL

AH ambassador
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
9,196
Reaction score
7,638
Media
54
Articles
2
Hunting reports
Africa
8
USA/Canada
2
Member of
SCI
Hunted
USA, S. Africa
I'm interested in an action for a custom build 404 Jeff. I've been looking around for old military K98 and FN actions to use when I came across this thread. Now I'm wondering about trying to use a Model 70 action. If a magnum action is long enough, why not?

Sitting in my home office is a M70 of more recent build that started life as a .300RUM, it's now a .404J.
 

Dave Hawkins

AH member
Joined
Jul 11, 2015
Messages
15
Reaction score
24
Location
Lakeway, Texas U.S.A.
Hunting reports
Africa
1
Hunted
Namibia, South Africa
Let me rephrase my question. Did you buy the 300 RUM for that purpose or decide to convert it from a gun you didn't care for?
 

Forum statistics

Threads
36,086
Messages
678,898
Members
62,172
Latest member
Big Toys
 

 

 

Latest posts

Latest profile posts

Tokoloshe Safaris wrote on Milan's profile.
I do not know where this video was posted, but I would very much like to see it.
Al Burke wrote on Milan's profile.
Hello Milan, I just watched your video on disassembling/reassembling the CZ 550. I have spent days looking for something like this. I now have no reservations taking apart my rifle. I like to do this with all my guns so I understand them "inside and out". Thank you very much for the information. It is greatly appreciated.
Al
Fred Gunner wrote on Viral_SIGness's profile.
60 375 Ruger Brass
$75+$8.30 Priority Mail Shipping
Postal Money Order Or Certified Tellers Check.

for final confirmation
Fred Gunner wrote on Viral_SIGness's profile.
60 375 Ruger Brass
$75+$8.30 Priority Mail Shipping
Postal Money Order Or Certified Tellers Check.

for final confirmation
raamw wrote on krish's profile.
send me your email.
 
Top