Politics

[roverandbrew]

I would be curious to what cards he actually holds. International backing-Will of the Iranian people-Support from the American public. Bombing a country with ideological differences has not worked for us much recently. Military is only one element of national power. DIME. Hopefully there is a holistic take at the problem synchronized over time to make the outcome a sustainable one.

 

[Big_Easy]

The DOJ is bringing back firing squads and lethal injection for executions.

For the 3 people left on death row? Sounds expensive to me. Maybe DOGE should look into it.

 

[Brent in Az]

For the 3 people left on death row? Sounds expensive to me. Maybe DOGE should look into it.

Bullet's aren't expensive, neither is rope
You can scurry back to your leftist cult programming now.

 

[Brent in Az]

Iranian delegates left Pakistan without agreeing to direct talks. Trump pulled the plug on sending anyone after that

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Let's see ... sending a couple of American Jewish real estate developers to negotiate with an Islamic radical who has military experience and a PhD from Kent University UK in something related to diplomacy. Yeah, I didn't think that would work. This whole affair reminds me of a chicken running around with its head cut off.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

I always thought the reason for firing squads was to be easier on executioners, isn’t one firearm loaded with a blank and the firearms handed out at random so that the shooters never know if they had a loaded firearm or not?

 

[AJ Peacock]

Let's see ... sending a couple of American Jewish real estate developers to negotiate with an Islamic radical who has military experience and a PhD from Kent University UK in something related to diplomacy. Yeah, I didn't think that would work. This whole affair reminds me of a chicken running around with its head cut off.

Jared Kushner - 2003 with a BA in sociology and Law degree
Steve Witkoff - Political Science and Law degree

What does either of their religions have to do with it?

AJ

 

[skydiver386]

I always thought the reason for firing squads was to be easier on executioners, isn’t one firearm loaded with a blank and the firearms handed out at random so that the shooters never know if they had a loaded firearm or not?

It depends on whether or not you're in Romania.

 

[mdwest]

Are you a terrorist sympathizer?

Without saying too much, but saying enough that is obvious to anyone paying attention…

I’m 99.999999% certain roverandbrew has put more terrorists in the dirt than the rest of the membership of this board combined…

And there are a number of noted/known former military special operations folks on this board… I’m including what I suspect most of them have been involved in..

Hardly a sympathizer…

Rather a vetted hero (medals (note the plural) for valor in combat) that has shed blood more than once eliminating terrorist enemies of our country..

 

[mdwest]

Let's see ... sending a couple of American Jewish real estate developers to negotiate with an Islamic radical who has military experience and a PhD from Kent University UK in something related to diplomacy. Yeah, I didn't think that would work. This whole affair reminds me of a chicken running around with its head cut off.

Are you ignorant of the Abraham Accords?

Or just stupid?

 

[Boyd Brooks]

Was reading about this on my way home from AZ.

 

[mdwest]

I always thought the reason for firing squads was to be easier on executioners, isn’t one firearm loaded with a blank and the firearms handed out at random so that the shooters never know if they had a loaded firearm or not?

Some use a system where one shooter gets a blank and all the rest get live rounds… the premise is maybe you shot the blank, etc…

That said… if you’ve ever shot a blank, it’s distinctly different in both report and recoil… you know you shot a blank..

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

You would have been a Tory. The colonists discussed at great length the whys and wherefores of justification for the revolution. They answered the question to their satisfaction, not subject to the Politics section of AH! Best original references, resources and original manuscripts of the Founding Father's works are housed by WallBuilders, a wonderful site to visit and research.
There you can find the reasoning for "No king but King Jesus" that became a motto. One readable tome on the subject is a wonderful book entitle "The Light and the Glory" by Peter Marshall jr.
Having come through a decades long battle in the Southern Baptist Convention that over 40 yrs ago decided that it would take the conservative side, I realize that there were, are and always will be liberals who are entrenched forever in their respective position. It is tiresome to argue with such, since, as Franklin stated, "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
Summation, I choose not to reopen a new 30 yrs. religious war on a forum I have attended for the sole purposes of HUNTING AFRICA! But, like Quigley, just because I have no use for a colt doesn't mean I don't know how to use one.
A question: how smart was it for the North African Christians to be so passive that they allowed the early sweep of Islam to extinguish them, forever denying any survivors the right to even hear about Christ? I would say that Luke 22 is instructive where Jesus said, "If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." The context being that when He sent them out two by two, He protected them, but in the future they will have a roll in protecting themselves. Theodore Roosevelt preferred the militancy of Charles Martell and Jan Sobieski who PREVENTED such religious/political suicide.
You said, Christians should flee....question is, to where? We always hit a wall where there is no where else to flee. Certainly there is no other "America."
And why has no one chosen to reply to Peter's statement, "We must obey God rather than men"
Or why the early church decided in favor of martyrdom vs lighting a candle to signify that they were willing to obey Rome's edict (the government) and consider the Christian God as just one among equals in the Pantheon--thus sparing their lives? Well, there I go, after saying I am here for the hunting!

Whether or not they chose wisely is between them and God. They may have been satisfied but God MAY not have been. That is my contention. Conservative vs Liberal has nothing to do with it. I’m as conservative as they come. Whether or not they were correct Scripturally is my concern. Perhaps you can enlighten me on the SBC battle from decades ago (either here or via PM)?

Your argument about the spread of Islam is completely irrelevant. They were invaders. Pretty cut and dry. A just, defensive war was entirely justified. Contextually, this comparison makes no sense and isn’t applicable. Also, it is a shame what happened to Christian North Africa and the Middle East and yes the great commission tells us to spread the Gospel BUT Scripture also tells us that the grace of God which brings salvation has appeared to all men so no one has an excuse so whatever your argument was when you said “forever denying any survivors the right to even hear about Christ?” isn’t accurate and is irrelevant contextually. That said I definitely agree the Christians in those areas would’ve been and were totally justified to defend themselves AND carry out just war against the onslaught of Islam. The muslims had no authority and were seeking to establish it. Quite the opposite of the case we are ultimately discussing..

Jesus saying to buy a sword IMHO is referring to self defense from individuals. Otherwise it would be in direct conflict with Romans 13..

You flee as far as you can but you are always subject to the government you find yourself under.

I already addressed the rest of your statement.. Except for a very small number the colonists were under British authority. The separatists eventually VOLUNTARILY became subjects again. All thirteen colonies were under British authority at the time of the Declaration of Independence. You obey God and you obey men who have authority over you up until the act of obeying conflicts with obeying God.

Whatever your argument is at the end actually backs my viewpoint. They were under Roman authority and they chose martyrdom rather than revolution…

WHAT I would say to your 2nd paragrah ,is the question to be answered that will answer the other, is did the new covenant replace the old. and also is the olive tree Isreal or Christ in Romans 9. then that will tell who true Isreal is, in Rom. 9-11.

Chapter 11 is very clear. The natural branches are the Jews and the wild grafted branches are the Gentiles. The root is Christ. God has in no way, shape or form rejected Israel entirely. It is true that any Jew that has lived since Christ came and has rejected Him as Messiah is lost/was lost. No different than any Gentile. That said, there is always a remnant and all prophetic Scripture from beginning to end is clear on this. Revelation tells that many Jews will be saved. Gotta let the Scripture speak for itself instead of read a viewpoint into it. Replacement theory is primarily being used these days by anti-Semites and people who hate Israel (who are unconverted I might add) to push an agenda and narrative.

 

[Tanks]

I think this method of execution would work well.

 

[Wheels]

The Pope condemns capital punishment after Trump reinstated the firing squad. Perhaps it’s my warped mind but I find it amusing considering Pope’s used to have their own Papal executioner.

https://www.npr.org/2026/04/25/g-s1-118767/pope-leo-trump-death-penalty

 

[steve white]

Whether or not they chose wisely is between them and God. They may have been satisfied but God MAY not have been. That is my contention. Conservative vs Liberal has nothing to do with it. I’m as conservative as they come. Whether or not they were correct Scripturally is my concern. Perhaps you can enlighten me on the SBC battle from decades ago (either here or via PM)?

Your argument about the spread of Islam is completely irrelevant. They were invaders. Pretty cut and dry. A just, defensive war was entirely justified. Contextually, this comparison makes no sense and isn’t applicable. Also, it is a shame what happened to Christian North Africa and the Middle East and yes the great commission tells us to spread the Gospel BUT Scripture also tells us that the grace of God which brings salvation has appeared to all men so no one has an excuse so whatever your argument was when you said “forever denying any survivors the right to even hear about Christ?” isn’t accurate and is irrelevant contextually. That said I definitely agree the Christians in those areas would’ve been and were totally justified to defend themselves AND carry out just war against the onslaught of Islam. The muslims had no authority and were seeking to establish it. Quite the opposite of the case we are ultimately discussing..

Jesus saying to buy a sword IMHO is referring to self defense from individuals. Otherwise it would be in direct conflict with Romans 13..

You flee as far as you can but you are always subject to the government you find yourself under.

I already addressed the rest of your statement.. Except for a very small number the colonists were under British authority. The separatists eventually VOLUNTARILY became subjects again. All thirteen colonies were under British authority at the time of the Declaration of Independence. You obey God and you obey men who have authority over you up until the act of obeying conflicts with obey God.

Whatever your argument is at the end actually backs my viewpoint. They were under Roman authority and they chose martyrdom rather than revolution…

Chapter 11 is very clear. The natural branches are the Jews and the wild grafted branches are the Gentiles. The root is Christ. God has in no way, shape or form rejected Israel entirely. It is true that any Jew that has lived since Christ came and has rejected Him as Messiah is lost/was lost. No different than any Gentile. That said, there is always a remnant and all prophetic Scripture from beginning to end is clear on this. Revelation tells that many Jews will be saved. Gotta let the Scripture speak for itself instead of read a viewpoint into it. Replacement theory is primarily being used these days by anti-Semites and people who hate Israel to push an agenda and narrative.

I'm NOT a replacement theory adherent--not by a long shot. Hope I didn't say anything to give that impression. We are indeed the ones grafted in, as you have said. I think God regathered his people to the holy land according to prophecy. I even think the 144,000 in Revelation will be JEWISH EVANGELISTS.
I will stand by the statements that passivist faith was what offered little resistance to the North African onslaught--in effect, there was not much of a just war of defense which was tragic.

I also think God had His hand on the formation of the United States!!! I believe He did it in accordance with the Mayflower Compact/covenant of the Pilgrims, NOT the folks down in Jamestown. Before they ever got off the boat, they pledged their enterprise to the spread of the Gospel, and to use their beach head in this land to reach people in further, remote places by missionary effort. I like the reasoning in Peter Marshall jr. "The Light and the Glory."
The question for every American is, have we kept faith with God? Not when we think all gods are equal. Not when we put the true God out of the public square, where he was in the first many administrations. And if we have not been faithful, why should God continue to bless us as He has? If you think about it, who would have bet on North America to come out on top vs. the gold and emerald laden vessels pouring out of South America? Now we have the zinc plated gall to turn on the God of our fathers? If you look at the statistics in just about every important area, we have been going down ever since we threw prayer out of schools. And that is not just some slogan. Do we have to hit bottom, or lose our realm of influence, or reserve currency status before we turn back to Him? Apparently. Except that there have been two major, Great Awakenings that shook this country--we are overdue for either the third or the finish IMO.
You and I are closer than you think. Except that instead of a Tory I would have been of the "black robe brigade"....those pastors who took off their clerical robe to reveal a Continental Army uniform underneath and led their parishioners to battle. Which happened a LOT.
In the meantime, you cannot imagine the grief I get from religiously and politically liberal folks out in the pew who want me to cave on every moral issue, because otherwise they would have to call out the sin of their children or friends. The Pilgrims had their battle with compromise and came up with the idea of a "Half-way Covenant"...the idea that their errant kids were "half-way alright." They got a heavenly spanking for that.
Well, I am not a half way covenant pastor!! But I never thought it would be so unpopular to stand for the straight way, truth and light.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

The Pope condemns capital punishment after Trump reinstated the firing squad. Perhaps it’s my warped mind but I find it amusing considering Pope’s used to have their own Papal executioner.

https://www.npr.org/2026/04/25/g-s1-118767/pope-leo-trump-death-penalty

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/qyeb0y/robe_and_axe_of_giovanni_battista_bugatti_who_was

Yet another example of the Catholic “church”/pope going against God/Scripture.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

I'm NOT a replacement theory adherent--not by a long shot. Hope I didn't say anything to give that impression. I think God regathered his people to the holy land according to prophecy. I even think the 144,000 in Revelation are JEWISH EVANGELISTS.
I will stand by the statements that passivist faith was what offered little resistance to the North African onslaught.
I also think God had His hand on the formation of the United States!!! I believe He did it in accordance with the Mayflower Compact/covenant of the Pilgrims, NOT the folks down in Jamestown. I like the reasoning in Peter Marshall jr. "The Light and the Glory."
We are closer than you think. Except that instead of a Tory I would have been of the "black robe brigade"....those pastors who took off their clerical robe to reveal a Continental Army uniform underneath and led their parishioners to battle. Which happened a LOT.

Sorry, the replacement theory part of my post was included in my response to @cwpayton, not you.

Agreed on Israel and the 144,000.

I understand what you’re saying about North Africa and the Middle East. They would’ve been totally justified IMO.

I think God has blessed America in spite of itself but that’s just my opinion. The Separatist/Pilgrims are the ones who I believe would’ve been justified to resist but they are also the ones who willfully became subjects again in the 1690s out of necessity. I don’t disagree completely with you on Plymouth vs Jamestown. We’re actually in agreement, God has blessed America because of a few, not the many.

I’m aware of the pastors leaving the pulpit to serve. Nothing wrong with that if it’s justified.

 

[Brent in Az]

Without saying too much, but saying enough that is obvious to anyone paying attention…

I’m 99.999999% certain roverandbrew has put more terrorists in the dirt than the rest of the membership of this board combined…

And there are a number of noted/known former military special operations folks on this board… I’m including what I suspect most of them have been involved in..

Hardly a sympathizer…

Rather a vetted hero (medals (note the plural) for valor in combat) that has shed blood more than once eliminating terrorist enemies of our country..

I find it ironic, how any military man that has been in the middle east and has seen first hand the atrocities of the so called "religion of peace", could be offended by the word rag head.

But.....whatever.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]