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Let’s talk about the moment Donald Trump blinked. It wasn’t loud. It wasn’t a tweetstorm or a rally rant. When the tariff threats that had the world on edge—125% on China, 25% on Canada’s autos, a global trade war in the making—suddenly softened. A “pause,” he called it. A complete turnaround from the chest-thumping of the past week. And the reason? Mark Carney and a slow, deliberate financial maneuver that most people didn’t even notice: the coordinated Treasury bond slow bleed.

This wasn’t about bravado. It was about leverage. Cold, calculated, and devastatingly effective.

Trump’s pause wasn’t because people were getting yippy…

Rewind a bit. While Trump was gearing up his trade war machine, Carney, Canada’s Prime Minister, wasn’t just sitting in Ottawa twiddling his thumbs. He’d been quietly increasing Canada’s holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds—over $350 billion worth by early 2025, part of the $8.53 trillion foreign countries hold in U.S. debt. On the surface, it looked like a safe play, a hedge against economic chaos. But it wasn’t just defense. It was a loaded gun.

Carney didn’t stop there. He took his case to Europe. Not for photo ops, but for closed-door meetings with the EU’s heavy hitters—Germany, France, the Netherlands. Japan was in the room too, listening closely. The pitch was simple: if Trump went too far with tariffs, Canada wouldn’t just retaliate with duties on American cars or steel. It would start offloading those Treasury bonds. Not a fire sale—nothing so crude. A slow, steady bleed. A signal to the markets that the U.S. dollar’s perch wasn’t so secure.
Here’s a brief explainer about Treasury Bonds and why Carney encouraged other countries to follow Canada’s lead, and why it worked:

How Treasury Bonds Work and Why a Global Sell-Off Could Tank the U.S.

  • What Are Treasury Bonds?
    • They’re IOUs the U.S. government issues to borrow money.
    • Countries, banks, and investors buy them, lending cash to the U.S.
    • The U.S. promises to pay back the loan with interest over time (e.g., 10 years).
  • Who Owns Them?
    • Foreign countries hold $8.5 trillion of U.S. debt (as of 2025).
    • Big players: Japan ($1 trillion+), Canada ($350 billion), EU nations ($1.5 trillion combined).
    • They buy bonds to park money safely and earn steady interest.
  • How Do They Affect the U.S.?
    • The U.S. uses this borrowed cash to fund everything—military, Social Security, tax cuts.
    • Cheap borrowing keeps the economy humming; the government spends more than it collects in taxes.
  • What Happens in a Coordinated Sell-Off?
    • If countries like Canada, Japan, and the EU start selling bonds together (even slowly):
      • Flood of Bonds: Too many bonds hit the market at once.
      • Prices Drop: More supply than demand pushes bond prices down.
      • Interest Rates Spike: When bond prices fall, yields (interest rates) rise to attract buyers.
  • Why Does This Hurt the U.S.?
    • Borrowing Gets Expensive: Higher interest rates mean the U.S. pays more to borrow.
    • Debt Snowballs: The U.S. owes $34 trillion already; pricier loans make it harder to manage.
    • Dollar Weakens: Selling bonds means dumping dollars, so the currency’s value drops.
  • How Does This Cause a Depression?
    • Spending Dries Up: Government cuts back as borrowing costs soar—fewer jobs, less aid.
    • Businesses Tank: Higher rates choke loans; companies can’t expand or hire.
    • Imports Cost More: A weaker dollar makes foreign goods (oil, tech) pricier, jacking up inflation.
    • Markets Crash: Panic hits stocks and banks as confidence in U.S. debt fades.
  • The Domino Effect:
    • Jobs vanish, prices spike, savings erode—classic depression triggers.
    • A slow, coordinated sell-off isn’t a bluff; it’s a quiet gut punch that would take the US YEARS to recover from.
And here’s the kicker: Canada wasn’t alone. Japan, holding over $1 trillion in U.S. debt, signed on and started to sell those US Treasury bonds which scared Trump shitless. Key EU countries—collectively sitting on another $1.5 trillion—nodded in agreement. This wasn’t a bluff. It was a silent pact. A coordinated move to remind Trump that the free world doesn’t just roll over when he swings his tariff bat. Hurt us, Carney said, and we’ll hurt you—right where it counts.

The U.S. Treasury market is the backbone of the global economy. Foreign holders like Canada, Japan, and the EU keep it humming, financing everything from America’s military to its tax cuts. Start selling those bonds in unison, even gradually, and the yields spike. The dollar wobbles. Borrowing costs climb. Suddenly, Trump’s “beautiful” bond market—he bragged about it just yesterday—looks like a house of cards in a stiff breeze.

That’s the message Carney delivered in his call with Trump last week. No leaks on the exact words, but the outcome speaks volumes. Trump didn’t just pause the tariffs; he backpedaled hard. China’s still in the crosshairs—125% duties are no joke—but Canada? The EU? Japan? They’re off the hit list. For now, at least. Why? Because Carney’s play wasn’t noise. It was power.

Let’s be real: Trump’s spent years calling Canada a freeloader—remember his 2019 NATO jabs?—while ignoring the inconvenient truth. Canada’s $350 billion in U.S. debt isn’t charity. It’s a lifeline. Japan’s trillion-plus? Same deal. The EU’s pile? Ditto. These countries aren’t just buying bonds to be nice; they’re bankrolling the U.S. government. And when they threaten to pull the plug, even slowly, Washington listens.

This was the determining factor in Trump’s surrender. Not the public spats, not the retaliatory tariffs Canada slapped on U.S. autos (though those stung). It was the quiet, coordinated threat of a Treasury bond unwind that bent Trump’s knee. Carney didn’t need to shout. He didn’t need to posture. He lined up the free world—Japan, the EU, Canada in lockstep—and showed Trump the cliff’s edge. Strategic brilliance doesn’t get louder than that.

Carney also issued Canadian Treasury bonds in USD which was another brilliant way to strengthen Canada’s position and financial reputation. Little triggers and strategies you get when the world’s most respected economist is your PM…

When Trump announced his tariff “pause,” it wasn’t a victory lap. It was a concession. Carney moved markets without firing a shot. He gave Canada a seat at the power table and proved that global respect isn’t won with bluster—it’s earned with moves that hit where it hurts. Trump talks tough. Carney plays chess. And right now, the board’s his.

Want the raw data? Check the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s “Major Foreign Holders of Treasury Securities” report. Look at Canada’s holdings. Japan’s. The EU’s. Then ask yourself: who’s really holding “the cards.”

OH, and will Canada’s tariffs and countermeasures remain in place until after the election on April 28th? Yup.

Carney made sure to tell the world that despite Trump kissing our northern ring, we’re not negotiating shit until after the election. He also said we’re still moving away from our relationship with the US for greener, saner pastures.
 
Trump has put tariff exemptions on cell phones, computers, and other electronic devices.
 
This, not stocks, is the real worry from the self-inflicted economic chaos of the last two weeks.


Someone has to explain this grand strategy to me. It looks like the President shoots from the hip, the base applauds, non-economic advisors roll out supporting rhetoric, and then Scott Bessent seems to go have a quiet talk with him and the roll back two-step begins.

Attack Mexico and Canada!

Huge reciprocal tariffs on everyone from the Falkland Islands to China!

On second thought let's do 10% tariffs on everyone.

On third thought lets pause the 10% tariffs for ninety-days.

Huge tariffs on China - very bad people!

On fourth thought guess it will be just Nike bearing the brunt of his ire?


Treasuries are in essence a vote of confidence in the stability of the US economic model. That vote on the 10-year note has moved it over 50 basis points in a matter of days to 4.4-46%. That has been combined with a drying up of liquidity due to the collapse of the market and destruction of highly leveraged value which doesn't simply rebound with an increase in the DOW.

It would be nice if just a tad of coherence entered the picture rather than simple the latest twitter tantrum or "what the boss meant to say appearance by Bessent.
Much of that stem's from Trumps biggest faults. He's always been too spontaneous and reactionary.
Fortunately, I think he has some decent advisors that can subtly reel him back in behind the scenes.
 
NO! O-5 is a pay grade. Only pencil pushers that haven't sluged it through tough times use that terminology.
Lieutentant Colonel is a rank that is earned and is to be respected, regardless of the service……..
That’s not true everywhere. People naturally gravitate toward brevity, and “O-5 and O-6” were used quite a bit to distinguish between Colonels. Air Force flying unit, definitely not “pencil pushers.” Maybe it was because per capita, there were more of us compared to other service branches because of the flying. Either way, “O-5 and O-6” were very common terms used. Always informal, or third-person… “congrats on pinning on O-6”, “new guy transferring in is an O-5”, etc. Formal titling was always by the rank of course. But you’d only hear the actual ranks for the others, though…. eg ”Major”, never “O-4”.

Mileages.
 
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One of the things most interesting about the tariffs is…

No one seems to care about Ukraine anymore..

No one is clamoring to see the Epstein client list…

No one is talking about the process underway to dismantle the Dept of Education..

No one is raising hell about the most recent DOGE cut..

No one is talking about the NATO 2% issue…

The American people love chasing the most recent and shiney object..

If tariffs become to hot of a topic, I feel certain DC will roll out another new highly controversial objective for us all to focus on.. while they continue to work the tariffs in the background…
Thank you! Everyone has an attention span of a 17 year old.
 
rigbymauser - the quote you attribute to me 5 posts above was not made by me. I have no opinion about a Colonel Angus and no knowledge of that person.
 
Some real genius in the IRS
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Calling Ol`colonel Angus a carpetbagger is overstepping bounderies I would say...:LOL:

I have to ask, is humorous trolling allowed on the Politics thread or do you want me to move nonsensicals to “on a lighter note”? I couldn’t help myself when everyone was getting pedantic on which way to abbreviate Lietrnant when I prefer to non-abbreviate and misspell it as I just did.
 
Relieving her of command was exactly the right thing to do. One can assume the left will howl. I would remind that this is exactly the sort of behavior that resulted in the relief of LTC Stuart Scheller, USMC when he decided a battalion commander had the right to publicly criticize the then administration and his commander in chief about the Afghanistan withdrawal……
Yeah, she has no excuse or defense. Looked at her bio, and it’s not impressive. Space Force is sold as being very competitive to get into due to the heavy science nature of what they do. But she’s got a communications degree from Purdue. Clearly commissioned at the right time for her; today she wouldn’t even be considered. Obviously young and not concerned with military standards of behavior for command. Military people in history have been court-martialed for making statements they shouldn’t have…. Billy Mitchell, for one.
 
Unfortunately, the world's largest economy is currently being governed by some pretty bunglers. And they are being advised by economists the world has never heard of, who want to push through a completely abstruse customs policy with completely abstruse theories. The architect of US customs policy, Peter Navarro, has never played any professional role whatsoever. Nobody knew this man. And now he is coming up with crazy customs theories.

To think that you can help American industrial workers by completely dismantling the world trading system and imposing tariffs is sheer nonsense. It doesn't work. Everyone has tried to explain that to Trump. He doesn't understand it.
I would suggest that you ask the Bank of England of Mr. Bessent is some bungler.

And by the way, Navarro has a Ph.D from Harvard in Economics. I supposed if you are a fan of Paul Krugman, who has never been right about anything, you might find Dr. Navarro's plan foreign.
 
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Unfortunately, the world's largest economy is currently being governed by some pretty bunglers. And they are being advised by economists the world has never heard of, who want to push through a completely abstruse customs policy with completely abstruse theories. The architect of US customs policy, Peter Navarro, has never played any professional role whatsoever. Nobody knew this man. And now he is coming up with crazy customs theories.

To think that you can help American industrial workers by completely dismantling the world trading system and imposing tariffs is sheer nonsense. It doesn't work. Everyone has tried to explain that to Trump. He doesn't understand it.
So .....are you a world class economist, or just regurgitate what you hear on the biased media platforms?
 
One of the things most interesting about the tariffs is…

No one seems to care about Ukraine anymore..

No one is clamoring to see the Epstein client list…

No one is talking about the process underway to dismantle the Dept of Education..

No one is raising hell about the most recent DOGE cut..

No one is talking about the NATO 2% issue…

The American people love chasing the most recent and shiney object..

If tariffs become to hot of a topic, I feel certain DC will roll out another new highly controversial objective for us all to focus on.. while they continue to work the tariffs in the background…
Amen to that, the man that ended Covid was Putin.... Once he invaded Ukraine all the leftist stopped shopping for face diapers and focused on yellow and blue garments.
 
Amen to that, the man that ended Covid was Putin.... Once he invaded Ukraine all the leftist stopped shopping for face diapers and focused on yellow and blue garments.

The same professional protesters switched to the keffiyeh. A much more hip look. And makes them much more attractive.
 
Trump has put tariff exemptions on cell phones, computers, and other electronic devices.
What hasn't he put exemptions or holds on?

I hope his eyelids are not sore from blinking so much. I am overseas right now. I was having dinner with a couple of people that were saying the tariffs on China were going to greatly hurt the US economy. My response was wait; it will change. I never realized it was going to be so fast.
 
What many are too obtuse to realize on Chinese tariffs (and especially electronics) is that they have already begun to work. Manufacturing in no small amount is, has been, and will continue to ne moved out of China to other friendlier countries. It will certainly take time but it is happening. It is far from being as simple as "Trump blinked and China won."

The uncertainty Trump has created around China has had the intended impact. I have no issue with anyone arguing that the intended impact is wrong, just recognize the impact.

Fascinating how that is regularly forgotten.
 
Here's a Canadian explanation of what happened to the markets last week. Many of you will not like the message, and will attack the messenger, as usual. I think it is a worthwhile read. https://open.substack.com/pub/deanb...adas-quiet?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Did the government buy up all those since his election to replace Trudeau, or while he was consulting for the last five or so years? I doubt Canada was able to amass the leverage in the last three weeks. This looks a lot more like someone who was hedging while destroying the Canadian economy than a brilliant chess player. It is consistent with the moves Brookfield took to escape the Canadian disaster Trudeau inflicted on us. He rightly saw the US as a much more stable economy. Now, presented with the current challenge , I do not doubt the pressure tactic was developed in conjunction with the other countries. But this piece reads more like an ad for his election platform than a reflective analysis viewed in light of his failures over the last five years or so. He is a classic example of the Canadian career bureaucrat, who rises up through institutions to claim crowns. He is smart and manipulative enough to develop a strategy to trip up Trump, but not competent enough to actually be innovative.

He will get elected on the 28th because Canadians can’t see a future that doesn’t look like their past. We will be doomed to this heavy “Ottawa knows best” centralization, unless you live in Quebec, that started with Trudeau Senior and has been followed in one form or another by every Prime Minister since. It will be a lost opportunity for meaningful revitalization of this amazing country.

Once we play this brilliant plan what next? Nothing. We will continue to be dependant on their economy because over the last ten years the Liberals made us so tragically dysfunctional that it will take a generation to change things. Ultimately we are going to do whatever Trump needs us to. We are going to elect a government that will continue to do a shell game to avoid the necessary foundational adjustments needed to allow the Canadian PEOPLE to grow the Canadian economy. Carney will deftly manipulate our economy to make things look good and Canadians will stand in line for healthcare or MAID praising themselves that they aren’t American.

I am so saddened by what I am seeing with this election.
 

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