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Is a senile president better than one that is looking more and more insane? I noticed that his mind was not quit right during the Corona Virus briefings. His old mug would twist up when one of his team would say something he didn't agree with. Sometimes you have to listen to your advisors. Unfortunately it cost him the election.
 

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The Republican ticket is going to be wide open the next few years. Hawley and Cotton sure are impressive. Haley, I'm not onboard with, although a Haley & Hawley ticket has a nice ring to it. So does "I Pick Cotton" for that matter.

Candace Owens needs to run for Congress. She'd be the anti-AOC.

Another guy I am keeping my eye on is HR McMaster. Retired Lt. General, war hero, Trump's National Security Advisor for about 17 months (one of many very distinguish appointees to get canned by Trump), smart and appears to be a nice guy. Very impressive and I believe would be a leader..........something we dearly need. Just not sure he wants to become a politician. McMaster's latest book, "Battlegrounds" could be interpreted as his position paper on global issues.
 

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Well I do have to say that it certainly appears that the Kraken will remain a mythological creature, still waiting to be released.
 

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I will take a time off from my job to campaign for Haley or Noem. I might do it for Scott as well. I think the bench of the Republican party is much stronger than the Dems.

Republicans need to run with Trumps message. Ultimately would messed Trump up was not his plan, vision or even execution (his policies ans results were great), it was his lack of focus on messaging. I think the lack of focus of his legal team was also an issue.
 

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I'm not an American (though my wife and kids are). So no dog in this hunt. But perhaps an outsider's perspective might add something to the debate?

I would be way more worried about this election result if I were a Democrat than if I were a Republican. While it's pretty clear that the Republicans lost the White House, it doesn't seem that their policies lost. It looks like the Republicans will keep the Senate and the Democrats have a reduced majority in the House. This is hardly a victory for Democratic policies.

As well, it's important to note that more Blacks, hispanics and visible minorities voted for Trump this time than in 2016. That should send a pretty sobering message to Democrats on the two coasts.

What seems to have happened, admittedly from afar, is that many people didn't like Trump for a whole bunch of reasons, but mostly personal ones. But many disliked Democrat policies more than they disliked Trump, and thus held their noses and voted for Trump. In effect, Trump's personality, likely with the COVID issues and his reaction to them, cost him the election. So it's less a case of Biden winning than of Trump losing. If I were a Democrat, my greatest fear would be a more likeable version of Trump with the same or similar policies. And given Trump's very strong showing, it's likely that whoever is the nominee in 2024 will take that to heart. Less Twitter ranting and more fundamental change.

On a more important issue, it's the Democrats who are threatening to destroy the American political system, not the Republicans. Yes, Trump refusing to concede and not providing evidence of voter fraud on a scale substantial enough to change the outcome is not helpful, but that's him, not the system. A focus on this should help the Republicans going forward. The Founding Fathers were incredibly prescient - they knew that pure representation by population would inevitably fracture the country and lead to its demise. So they created a senate which added half the states plus one to the majority needed to pass legislation (and an electoral college). So while the Democrats can go on all they want about Biden winning with the largest number of votes for a challenger in history, those votes principally came from New York and California (and states to which Californians are moving). If residents of those states believe (as they seem to) that any rational person, wherever they are, should think and vote like them, then Democrats are in fact doomed to defeat in what really matters - the ability to enact their policies into law. A president can do a lot by executive order, but he can't fundamentally change the laws of the country, and the next president can reverse executive orders. Laws are (often much) more difficult to change.

So while it would have been wonderful to win the White House again, that's a battle, not the war (contrary to what many seem to think). The war is, in reality, one for the heart and soul fo the country, and that's a long term affair. And in that war, from where I sit, it looks like the Republicans are pretty well positioned, if they play their cards right.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, there are still broad sunlit uplands ahead for Republicans.
 

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As a relatively recent legal immigrant myself, I too still have a bit of an outsider look, and I believe that these two posts resume well both the Trump Presidency and the current situation.

... While it's pretty clear that the Republicans lost the White House, it doesn't seem that their policies lost. It looks like the Republicans will keep the Senate and the Democrats have a reduced majority in the House. This is hardly a victory for Democratic policies.

It seems fair to say that Trump is a man with nearly intolerable ego who seems to go out of his way to be purposefully disagreeable and unlikable.

Yet, Trump has fundamentally implemented the policies that the nation needed and the previous administration shrunk from. For example, among others: confronting China on intellectual property theft, balance trade, currency manipulation, imperialist expansion, etc.; confronting European allies who have relied on the US to fund their defense in violation of NATO agreement; confronting out-of-control illegal immigration; confronting the manufacturing exodus from the US; confronting American energy dependence; etc. etc. Certainly not everything was perfect, but by far and large he has done more for the country in 4 years than cumulated past Presidents in 12 or 16 years...

As I explained to whomever wanted to hear during the campaign: do not vote the man, vote the policies, and the choice is clear: on one side an unlikable, so far not proven corruptible guy who implement the right policies; and on the other side a supposedly likable guy, apparently proven corrupted, who will likely let his entourage implement the wrong policies.

...
Whatever Trump does, conservatives, populists and republicans better get focused on those two Georgia senate races.

Amen!

Was there fraud? It seems that the objective answer is yes.

Was there enough provable fraud to change the outcome? This remains to be seen but this would surprise me.

The line is thin between legitimate challenge of questionable results, and bombastic ego-driven illegitimate attempt to cling illegally to power. I hope for Trump that if the legal challenge do not pan out he will walk away with dignity and not attempt a futile and infantile tantrum. He has a legacy to be proud of, and he should not damage it by becoming what the opposition has always accused him to be without being able to prove it, and proving them right.

Let the legal process play out, but let the Republican also remember that maybe the more critical fight is now in Georgia. Biden/Harris in the White House with McConnell at the Senate Presidency is not ideal, but it is a lot better than Biden/Harris in the White House with Schumer at the Senate Presidency.
 
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I think Red Leg should run for the nomination. He would get my vote, oh sh*t I’m not American.

But since when not being American stoped one from voting
 

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Is a senile president better than one that is looking more and more insane? I noticed that his mind was not quit right during the Corona Virus briefings. His old mug would twist up when one of his team would say something he didn't agree with. Sometimes you have to listen to your advisors. Unfortunately it cost him the election.
Hmmm.....well ....Trump is probably one of the most stressed out people on the planet right now. I would be more then a little edgy and annoyed myself.
 

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As a relatively recent legal immigrant myself, I too still have a bit of an outsider look, and I believe that these two posts resume well both the Trump Presidency and the current situation.



It seems fair to say that Trump is a man with nearly intolerable ego who seems to go out of his way to be purposefully disagreeable and unlikable.

Yet, Trump has fundamentally implemented the policies that the nation needed and the previous administration shrunk from. For example, among others: confronting China on intellectual property theft, balance trade, currency manipulation, imperialist expansion, etc.; confronting European allies who have relied on the US to fund their defense in violation of NATO agreement; confronting out-of-control illegal immigration; confronting the manufacturing exodus from the US; confronting American energy dependence; etc. etc. Certainly not everything was perfect, but by far and large he has done more for the country in 4 years than cumulated past Presidents in 12 or 16 years...

As I explained to whomever wanted to hear during the campaign: do not vote the man, vote the policies, and the choice is clear: on one side an unlikable, so far not proven corruptible guy who implement the right policies; and on the other side a supposedly likable guy, apparently proven corrupted, who will likely let his entourage implement the wrong policies.



Amen!

Was there fraud? It seems that the objective answer is yes.

Was there enough provable fraud to change the outcome? This remains to be seen but this would surprise me.

The line is thin between legitimate challenge of questionable results, and bombastic ego-driven illegitimate attempt to cling illegally to power. I hope for Trump that if the legal challenge do not pan out he will walk away with dignity and not attempt a futile and infantile tantrum. He has a legacy to be proud of, and he should not damage it by becoming what the opposition has always accused him to be without being able to prove it, and proving them right.

Let the legal process play out, but let the Republican also remember that maybe the more critical fight is now in Georgia. Biden/Harris in the White House with McConnell at the Senate Presidency is not ideal, but it is a lot better than Biden/Harris in the White House with Schumer at the Senate Presidency.
One Day,
I think you've summed up this election situation pretty well. Many people who voted for Biden were just voting against Trump the man and not his policies. Many of the policy changes you've described here that Trump addressed head on, are supported by the vast majority of people here in the U.S. Biden and the Democrats have been TALKING about changing the policies for DECADES and have done NOTHING! Trump DID change things for the better for the U.S. and pissed a bunch of people off worldwide, because he took them out of their "business as usual with the U.S." comfort zones and made them confront the elephant in the room. Biden hasn't done a damn thing in 45 years in public office for the people who have to work for a living in this country, except raise their taxes to pay for social programs for the leeches (socialists) that suck the bone marrow out of our economy and send our jobs overseas. I predict in two years when the mid term elections roll around, people will see the light as their household incomes start to disappear and vote overwhelmingly for a Republican Congress.
CEH
 
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. . . I predict in two years when the mid term elections roll around, people will see the light as their household incomes start to disappear and vote overwhelmingly for a Republican Congress.
CEH

One can only wish, but I doubt it.
 

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Trump just tweeted this with respect to the transition. Good on him.

“I want to thank Emily Murphy at GSA for her steadfast dedication and loyalty to our Country. She has been harassed, threatened, and abused – and I do not want to see this happen to her, her family, or employees of GSA. Our case STRONGLY continues, we will keep up the good fight, and I believe we will prevail! Nevertheless, in the best interest of our Country, I am recommending that Emily and her team do what needs to be done with regard to initial protocols, and have told my team to do the same.”
 

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That's the thing about swamp rats, you can never get rid of them.

Totalitarianism.....coming soon to a theater near you.
 

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One Day,
I think you've summed up this election situation pretty well. Many people who voted for Biden were just voting against Trump the man and not his policies. Many of the policy changes you've described here that Trump addressed head on, are supported by the vast majority of people here in the U.S. Biden and the Democrats have been TALKING about changing the policies for DECADES and have done NOTHING! Trump DID change things for the better for the U.S. and pissed a bunch of people off worldwide, because he took them out of their "business as usual with the U.S." comfort zones and made them confront the elephant in the room. Biden hasn't done a damn thing in 45 years in public office for the people who have to work for a living in this country, except raise their taxes to pay for social programs for the leeches (socialists) that suck the bone marrow out of our economy and send our jobs overseas. I predict in two years when the mid term elections roll around, people will see the light as their household incomes start to disappear and vote overwhelmingly for a Republican Congress.
CEH
Unless, getting away with mail in ballots debacle, they keep the practice and cheat forever...
 

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