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I know the topic of rifle scopes has been beaten to death (multiple times) on this forum, but after looking through a lot of rifle photos and doing some shooting today myself, I keep coming back to the same frustration.

Earlier today I was out shooting with my GPO SPECTRA mounted on a .280 Ackley Improved. I should say that I really love the scope—the glass is good, the illumination works well, and the overall features are excellent The magnification range is perfect. Honestly it has just about everything I want in a hunting scope with the exception of the overall size, particularly the bulkiness of the ocular bell. The scope itself is a 1.5–9×32 with a 30 mm tube and an illuminated G4i reticle.

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It seems like nearly every quality scope now comes with a 30 mm tube, massive ocular bell, giant turrets, and some sort of tactical Christmas-tree reticle…..I understand that the newest glass, coatings, and illumination systems tend to show up in the 30 mm scopes first, and I also understand there’s a big movement on this forum—one I completely understand—for taking advantage of the latest technology and the wide range of magnification available on today’s riflescopes.

However, Looking through members’ rifle pictures here, I see that a lot of people still subscribe to low-magnification straight-tube optics, which I appreciate and love. But even many of those scopes—once you get into an illuminated reticle version—seem to grow these huge ocular bells that interfere with bolt throw, low mounting, and just generally look bulky on a classic sporter. Likewise, I have a hawke 1-8x24 straight tube illuminated on my 375 that I’m really like with but the exception of the large ocular.

I also realize everyone apparently needs a 30 mm tube so they can have 10 miles of elevation adjustment on their tactical turrets for long-range sniping, but it does make me wonder—why does no one seem to still make a simple hunting scope designed for shooting game at 300 yards and in, off the sticks…With the features we all want?

And yes, I understand the obvious answer: scope manufacturers follow market trends, and the tactical crowd is a big part of the market right now. But it still seems like there should be room for a well-built, traditional hunting scope.

Personally, what I’d really like to find is something much simpler:

• 1-inch tube
• Illuminated German #4 reticle with just a small illuminated center dot
• Capped hunting turrets, not exposed tactical knobs
• Clean reticle, not a Christmas tree grid
• Reasonably compact ocular so it clears the bolt handle and allows a low mount

Magnification-wise I’d be perfectly happy with something like:
• 2–7x
• 2–10x
• 3–9x
• 3–12x
With a 32-42 objective

It feels like the industry has gone all-in on the tactical market, and the more traditional hunting configurations are getting harder to find.

OK… rant over, I realized these things aren’t available. I just wanted to express my frustration and maybe see if anyone else has gone down the same rabbit hole looking for a simple hunting scope that apparently nobody makes anymore.

Yes, I would like to have my cake and eat it too!
 
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I’m also frustrated with the direction scope manufacturers are going. I still love my Leupolds but don’t trust their quality like I use to. I can’t trust a scope made in China to trust vortex. I tried a Maven 2-10x38. Beautiful scope but the eye relief was terrible. My next 1” scopes will likely be Trijicon.
 
The problem with most new scopes is the lack of ruggedness.

IMO, only 3 brands pass the "ruggedness test" now - Nightforce, Trijicon, and SWFA.






I prefer Leupold, but have to admit that I've had I've had a couple that have lost zero during long flights and long road trips to concessions.


I've never been impressed with Vortex, and Maven has yet to impress me.


I think I'm going with Trijicon, until Leupold starts to build rugged scopes again.

Whoever is running Leupold needs to get it together ASAP.

They need to do 2 things:

1. Build a VERY rugged scope line again in the USA
2. Assert themselves as the predominate optics that are made in the US. (sell Redfield as the "budget" line, but let all Leupold branded scopes be high-quality US made optics) - (Anything not made in the USA should be "Redfield" branded).

Leupold - you are blowing it! - reach out to the **NOT**PERMITTED** guys and reassert your dominance in the US scope market.
 
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The problem with most new scopes is the lack of ruggedness.

IMO, only 3 brands pass the "ruggedness test" now - Nightforce, Trijicon, and SWFA.

I prefer Leupold, but have to admit that I've had a couple that have lost zero during long flights and long road trips to concessions.


Only disappointment with Vortex, and Maven has yet to impress me.

I think I'm going with Trijicon until Leupold starts to build rugged scopes again.



Whoever is running Leupold needs to get it together ASAP.

They need to do 2 things:

1. Build a VERY rugged scope line again in the USA
2. Assert themselves as the predominate optics that are made in the US. (sell Redfield as the "budget" line, but let all Leupold branded scopes be high-quality US made optics) - (Anything not made in the USA should be "Redfield" branded)
All Leupold rifle scopes are made in USA still. Their other lines like binoculars aren’t.

I didn’t know anything about Leupold and Redfield but looks like they sold it in 2021.
 
OK. I didn't know, but am not surprised.

Many iconic brands of American made quality outdoor goods have now been acquired by "Vista Outdoor"


Quality and customer service have sufferred greatly.
 
Leupold fixed powdered scopes were, perhaps, the most rugged scopes on the planet.

But, they quit making them a few years ago...



I still have 4.
 
I think larger ocular bell may have something to do with increasing eye relief?

Online I picked up a simple Bushnell 1-4x30mm with no objective bell for my 404. Some kind of promo deal and the price was so low I figured I had nothing to lose. Capped turrets and simple dual taper crosshairs. The thicker tube provides large field of view and very clear. I found an old discontinued Weaver one piece base that dropped this 30mm scope low enough to acquire instantly but did require trimming a bit from the bolt handle before it would clear the ocular bell. No big deal. It polished up nicely. So far it's held up fine.
 
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Leupold fixed powdered scopes were, perhaps, the most rugged scopes on the planet.

But, they quit making them a few years ago...



I still have 4.
Truth. I have Leupold 6x and 2.5x fixed power scopes. Basically as foolproof as anything can be. I will never understand why they quit making these. They say the fixed power line didn’t sell enough. But they sold every single one they ever made. I like to think they’ll come to their senses and reintroduce the fixed power scopes in the future.
 
Maybe the reality is you just can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I replaced my Weaver Super Slam Dangerous Game 1-5x24 with the Hawke 1-8x24 because I wanted an illuminated reticle. The trade-off, of course, was size and weight.

The Weaver has Japanese multi-coated glass with excellent clarity, and I’m perfectly comfortable with 5x out to 200 yards. That said, past that distance a little more magnification is certainly nice—which is why I stepped up to the 1-8.

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So that got me thinking, and I’ll ask the listening audience:

What are the features you absolutely won’t compromise on?
  • Illumination
  • Magnification range
  • Forgiving eyebox
  • Eye relief
  • Uncluttered reticle
As I mentioned in my first post, I’m really fond of the GPO Spectra 1.5-9x32i. It checks every box for me… with the lone exception of being a bit bulky.

The Hawke, the GPO, and the Weaver all have generous eyeboxes, about four inches of eye relief, and clean reticles. I wish the Weaver had just a bit more magnification and illumination… but I wish the Hawke and the GPO were a little more compact.

So again I ask—do you live with the extra bulk to get the features you want…

…or do you step down from a King Ranch to an XLT and call it good?

Because right now it feels like the scope world is telling me I can have performance or proportions, but not both at the same time….
 
The most rugged scopes come from Nightforce, Trijicon and Schmidt & Bender. Most are 30mm tubes and larger but there are good options if you do your research. Many are military grade and the trade off is the weight is higher when compared to a typical hunting optic.

The best glass comes from the big three of Swaro, Leica and Zeiss. But again you are looking at mostly 30mm tubes and larger objective lens size. All of these are quite sturdy for normal hunting use, but would not fair well in a harsh environment such as military use.

Leupold has seen a decline over recent years in their quality. To the point that I’d trust a 1985 Leupold over one made today. And it’s not like they are unaware of their current reputation.

Don’t even get me started on Vortex. I wouldn’t trust them to watch cat videos on YT.
 
I did a little digging on the specs.

Looking at the ocular dimensions, the Trijicon AccuPoint 3-9x40 is actually the best of the bunch at about 1.6 inches in diameter. For reference, my GPO Spectra 1.5-9x32i measures roughly 1.75 inches, so it is a little trimmer.

That said, most of the other AccuPoint models appear to be around 1.7 inches, so in the grand scheme there isn’t a huge difference in terms of physical size.

They are, however, noticeably lighter, and I do like the idea of the fiber-optic/tritium illumination with no batteries. That’s actually a pretty elegant solution for a hunting scope.

So it may not completely solve the “bulky ocular” complaint I started this thread with, but it’s definitely one of the more sensible designs out there.
 
I did a little digging on the specs.

Looking at the ocular dimensions, the Trijicon AccuPoint 3-9x40 is actually the best of the bunch at about 1.6 inches in diameter. For reference, my GPO Spectra 1.5-9x32i measures roughly 1.75 inches, so it is a little trimmer.

That said, most of the other AccuPoint models appear to be around 1.7 inches, so in the grand scheme there isn’t a huge difference in terms of physical size.

They are, however, noticeably lighter, and I do like the idea of the fiber-optic/tritium illumination with no batteries. That’s actually a pretty elegant solution for a hunting scope.

So it may not completely solve the “bulky ocular” complaint I started this thread with, but it’s definitely one of the more sensible designs out there.
I had two Trijicon scopes with the tritium inserts and moved away from them because it fades so much over time. Trijicon will refurbish them, but the scope needs to be removed from the rings and sent back. Then of course the rifle will need to be re-zeroed.

I went with the battery option and make sure I change them before a hunt.
 
Swarovski makes a really nice 1” tube line of scopes. BUT the tube is often quite short making it a challenge to mount exactly where I want it.
I would go nightforce except they are noticeably heavy and Expensive! Lots of give and take in the scope market-
 
I had two Trijicon scopes with the tritium inserts and moved away from them because it fades so much over time. Trijicon will refurbish them, but the scope needs to be removed from the rings and sent back. Then of course the rifle will need to be re-zeroed.

I went with the battery option and make sure I change them before a hunt.
That’s a good point that I had not considered ….I recently had to send a scope back because the auto wake feature stopped working, and I was irritated with the hassle of remounting and sighting in…

So I guess it can happen with both battery operated or tritium however, you know it’s going to happen with tritium powered I suppose…
 
@Firebird - There are options to get a scope with a rail mount (no scope rings) on many Swaro models to help with getting the proper eye relief.
 
I have 3 rifles exactly like the one posted by the OP. I’ve fitted 2 of them with older glossy Leupold 3-9s and 1 with a 1.5-5 glossy Leupold. They are getting hard to come by and expensive when you do but very much worth it if the overall look and feel of the rifle is important to you. Might not have all the bells and whistles but I can live with that.
If that’s an M77 African it’s a shame that such a svelte rifle should have to suffer a gawdy scope.
You might have to look back rather than forward as I don’t see a whole lot of good options on the shelves anymore.
 
Tract optics offers many 1in hunting scopes.
 
I have 3 rifles exactly like the one posted by the OP. I’ve fitted 2 of them with older glossy Leupold 3-9s and 1 with a 1.5-5 glossy Leupold. They are getting hard to come by and expensive when you do but very much worth it if the overall look and feel of the rifle is important to you. Might not have all the bells and whistles but I can live with that.
If that’s an M77 African it’s a shame that such a svelte rifle should have to suffer a gawdy scope.
You might have to look back rather than forward as I don’t see a whole lot of good options on the shelves anymore.
Yes, and like you I have 3 and I’m coming to that same realization
 

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