Light, flat & fast...What round should I choose?

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As far as rifles go, I really have everything I require to do all the hunting I'm currently considering. While I don't need to buy any more firearms, unfortunately that doesn't negate the desire to add more of them to my safe. :D

I have this one small gap in my lineup that I keep telling myself doesn't need to be filled. But for reasons unknown, it annoys & my mind keeps returning to it. At the small varmint end I have a nice left-handed Cooper that is chambered in 22-250 Remington that I shoot 55gr bullets out of. Then there's a jump to my Ruger No. 1A chambered in 6.5x55 that I shoot 140gr Partitions from.

Because most of the hunting I do is at moderate distances in the brushy southeastern woods, the fact that I don't own a rifle chambered for something light, fast & flat-shooting that's bigger than my 22-250 hasn't really been a problem. But as I start to ease into retirement, I hope to expand my range a bit so I thought I would ask for some opinions so I can mull over some options. Here's the criteria:

I want the bullet to be in the 90~117gr range. Lighter or heavier than that & I have other options than a new rifle already available to me.

I want a rifle that is larger than 224 (22 cal) and smaller than 308. So 6mm, 243, 257, 6.5mm, 270, or 7mm would be good choices. While some of these are obviously appropriate for the projectile weight I'm interested in, I'm curious if anyone is doing something on the edges (e.g. How low can you go weight-wise with a 7x64 Brenneke?).

It would be nice if the bullet / caliber combo was good at taking something antelope-sized at longer distances than I currently hunt at. Based on my shooting ability & eyesight, I doubt I'll ever pull the trigger on anything that is over ~350 meters away except for a target. But I guess that might change based on ideal conditions or how flat the round shoots.

You get bonus points if the round you suggest is available in a left-handed rifle.

In the past, I've come close to buying a left-handed 25-06 on a couple of occasions only to pass for various reasons. A 257 Roberts has a nostalgic appeal but no one ever made a left-handed rifle in that chambering so I would have to rebarrel or get a custom (not a problem!). I pondered over a custom LH Cooper in 6mm-284 for a while because the price was really tempting but I hesitated because it was an uncommon chambering. I have eight falling blocks so I would prefer this to be a bolt action. Some of the larger calibers like the 270 or 7mm have some lightweight bullets like a 110gr Barnes but it would be nice to hear if someone is shooting something like that & how well it worked. I assume someone will recommend the 243 Winchester just to annoy @Bob Nelson 35Whelen. The ubiquitous 6.5 Creedmoor is a viable LH option but I feel like I would be slighting my beloved Swede if I bought one...change my mind. ;)
 
25 CM. Just listened to a podcast comparing the various CM’s. Inside 500 yds, least drop, wind drift, and recoil.

I don’t have a 25, but love the 25/06 and 257 Wby. The 25 CM sounds like a great option.
 
What you’re looking for sounds like a 6.5 CM or a 6.5 Swede to me…

Capable of taking up to elk sized game.. known for high BC bullets that allow shooting at distance (although they do just fine up close too)… very light on the shoulder.. recoil is negligible.. and you can easily find a CM in LH if that what you’re wanting…
 
My only concern about anything “new” like the 25 CM is whether or not it’s here to stay…

20 years ago the 270 WSM, 7mm WSM, and the 300 WSM were all the rage… today good luck finding anything other than 300 WSM, and it’s not really all that common…

Hornady is pushing a lot of new cartridges lately.. all of the PRC line, the ARC line, and now more CM calibers…

They can’t all stick… a few will find popularity and stay supported for at least a little while.. others will fall by the wayside fast…

The 6.5 CM despite having a lot of haters out there is without a doubt here to stay… last year it was the #3 caliber in ammunition sales sold in the US behind .22 LR and .223… it outsold 308, 30-06, 300 WM, and all of the other “traditional” rounds by large numbers..

It’s also the #1 rifle chambering right now… 13.5% of all bolt action rifles manufactured in the US last year were chambered in 6.5 CM

While some of the other new super cartridges may stick.. many won’t..

But the 6.5 CM isn’t going anywhere… it’s killing the 30 cal market, the 270 market, the .25 market and pretty much everything else in between..
 
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The .257 Wby was Roy’s favorite for a reason. I really, really like mine. 100gr TTSX Barnes in front of H-1000 does a great job on deer and I wouldn’t hesitate to use it on elk. Up to about 500 yards its phenomenal. Beyond that, heavier-for-caliber bullets do better.
 
As far as rifles go, I really have everything I require to do all the hunting I'm currently considering. While I don't need to buy any more firearms, unfortunately that doesn't negate the desire to add more of them to my safe. :D

I have this one small gap in my lineup that I keep telling myself doesn't need to be filled. But for reasons unknown, it annoys & my mind keeps returning to it. At the small varmint end I have a nice left-handed Cooper that is chambered in 22-250 Remington that I shoot 55gr bullets out of. Then there's a jump to my Ruger No. 1A chambered in 6.5x55 that I shoot 140gr Partitions from.

Because most of the hunting I do is at moderate distances in the brushy southeastern woods, the fact that I don't own a rifle chambered for something light, fast & flat-shooting that's bigger than my 22-250 hasn't really been a problem. But as I start to ease into retirement, I hope to expand my range a bit so I thought I would ask for some opinions so I can mull over some options. Here's the criteria:

I want the bullet to be in the 90~117gr range. Lighter or heavier than that & I have other options than a new rifle already available to me.

I want a rifle that is larger than 224 (22 cal) and smaller than 308. So 6mm, 243, 257, 6.5mm, 270, or 7mm would be good choices. While some of these are obviously appropriate for the projectile weight I'm interested in, I'm curious if anyone is doing something on the edges (e.g. How low can you go weight-wise with a 7x64 Brenneke?).

It would be nice if the bullet / caliber combo was good at taking something antelope-sized at longer distances than I currently hunt at. Based on my shooting ability & eyesight, I doubt I'll ever pull the trigger on anything that is over ~350 meters away except for a target. But I guess that might change based on ideal conditions or how flat the round shoots.


You get bonus points if the round you suggest is available in a left-handed rifle.

In the past, I've come close to buying a left-handed 25-06 on a couple of occasions only to pass for various reasons. A 257 Roberts has a nostalgic appeal but no one ever made a left-handed rifle in that chambering so I would have to rebarrel or get a custom (not a problem!). I pondered over a custom LH Cooper in 6mm-284 for a while because the price was really tempting but I hesitated because it was an uncommon chambering. I have eight falling blocks so I would prefer this to be a bolt action. Some of the larger calibers like the 270 or 7mm have some lightweight bullets like a 110gr Barnes but it would be nice to hear if someone is shooting something like that & how well it worked. I assume someone will recommend the 243 Winchester just to annoy @Bob Nelson 35Whelen. The ubiquitous 6.5 Creedmoor is a viable LH option but I feel like I would be slighting my beloved Swede if I bought one...change my mind. ;)
@odonata
Just ouk a nice 25
250 Savage
257 Roberts
25-06
Take your pick from 74 gn to 120gn.
Bob
 
If you like shooting monometals, then look at the good old .270 Winchester. You should be able to push the 95gr TTSX to 3600 fps. I have been using the 110gr TTSX in a mid-level load and it chronographs at just under 3300fps, but Barnes shows a couple of loads at over 3400fps.

Brass is relatively easy to get, as is loaded ammo if you ever end up needing some. And you could easily use those loads on antelope and deer out to the range you mention.

The fastest I have ever loaded and hunted with is the .257 Wby Mag with the old 75gr X bullet and RL22 at a whisker under 4000fps. Shot some boar and a nice whitetail buck with that setup and it worked very well.

I had a good friend in Serbia who was a game warden. I took him a couple of boxes of .243 caliber 75gr X and he shot dozens of boar with those bullets in a .243 Winchester. I also used it on Roe deer.

Those fast little bullets seem to be quite effective.
 
As far as rifles go, I really have everything I require to do all the hunting I'm currently considering. While I don't need to buy any more firearms, unfortunately that doesn't negate the desire to add more of them to my safe. :D

I have this one small gap in my lineup that I keep telling myself doesn't need to be filled. But for reasons unknown, it annoys & my mind keeps returning to it. At the small varmint end I have a nice left-handed Cooper that is chambered in 22-250 Remington that I shoot 55gr bullets out of. Then there's a jump to my Ruger No. 1A chambered in 6.5x55 that I shoot 140gr Partitions from.

Because most of the hunting I do is at moderate distances in the brushy southeastern woods, the fact that I don't own a rifle chambered for something light, fast & flat-shooting that's bigger than my 22-250 hasn't really been a problem. But as I start to ease into retirement, I hope to expand my range a bit so I thought I would ask for some opinions so I can mull over some options. Here's the criteria:

I want the bullet to be in the 90~117gr range. Lighter or heavier than that & I have other options than a new rifle already available to me.

I want a rifle that is larger than 224 (22 cal) and smaller than 308. So 6mm, 243, 257, 6.5mm, 270, or 7mm would be good choices. While some of these are obviously appropriate for the projectile weight I'm interested in, I'm curious if anyone is doing something on the edges (e.g. How low can you go weight-wise with a 7x64 Brenneke?).

It would be nice if the bullet / caliber combo was good at taking something antelope-sized at longer distances than I currently hunt at. Based on my shooting ability & eyesight, I doubt I'll ever pull the trigger on anything that is over ~350 meters away except for a target. But I guess that might change based on ideal conditions or how flat the round shoots.


You get bonus points if the round you suggest is available in a left-handed rifle.

In the past, I've come close to buying a left-handed 25-06 on a couple of occasions only to pass for various reasons. A 257 Roberts has a nostalgic appeal but no one ever made a left-handed rifle in that chambering so I would have to rebarrel or get a custom (not a problem!). I pondered over a custom LH Cooper in 6mm-284 for a while because the price was really tempting but I hesitated because it was an uncommon chambering. I have eight falling blocks so I would prefer this to be a bolt action. Some of the larger calibers like the 270 or 7mm have some lightweight bullets like a 110gr Barnes but it would be nice to hear if someone is shooting something like that & how well it worked. I assume someone will recommend the 243 Winchester just to annoy @Bob Nelson 35Whelen. The ubiquitous 6.5 Creedmoor is a viable LH option but I feel like I would be slighting my beloved Swede if I bought one...change my mind. ;)
6mm rem Remington?
Over 4000 fps with a 55gr and about 3150 with a 100 gr

257 weatherbey the old 87gr factory was supposed to be 3800 fps and the 100gr 3500 fps
 
257 Weatherby is probably the sexiest round ever made. And they made a bunch in left handed guns. That’s what I would go for.
I have used the 6mm and 257won deer and hogs and coyotes
Honestly 300 and in I would rather have the 6mm
I got the 257 wb for depredation use not hunting.
Even at 400yds the 87gr factory load destroyed a lot of meat. And one time right under 200yds. A shoulder shot with the bullet in and out in a stright line still blew out the stomach.
 
+1 for the 257 Weatherby. the 100 gr TTSX shoots into a group the size of my little finger nail. Closest thing to a laser that I have ever owned. It is absolutely lethal on deer. I would not hesitate to use it on med size plains game down.
 
Light fast and flat? Easy .257 wby mag. I mean I’m pretty sure Roy Weatherby killed a rhino with one of if I remember correctly. Should be able to crank a 90-100gr projectile to over 3500 fps.
 
I have used the 6mm and 257won deer and hogs and coyotes
Honestly 300 and in I would rather have the 6mm
I got the 257 wb for depredation use not hunting.
Even at 400yds the 87gr factory load destroyed a lot of meat. And one time right under 200yds. A shoulder shot with the bullet in and out in a stright line still blew out the stomach.
Respect the opinion but I’ve never cared about meat damage. Just want the animal hit and dead quick. I understand others have a different opinion. What you’re describing I would consider a successful terminal result.
 
.257 Weatherby Mag.
 
25 CM. Just listened to a podcast comparing the various CM’s. Inside 500 yds, least drop, wind drift, and recoil.

I don’t have a 25, but love the 25/06 and 257 Wby. The 25 CM sounds like a great option.

I bought myself a Bose SoundLink Max as a Christmas present to myself. I'm listening to the PodCasts you linked to as I type this. Very interesting & informative. (y)

But the 6.5 CM isn’t going anywhere… it’s killing the 30 cal market, the 270 market, the .25 market and pretty much everything else in between..

I'm a big fan of math. While the 6.5 CM might be the target of a lot of "man-bun" derision, the quantifiable numbers seem to indicate that the animal would have a different opinion of the viability of this cartridge if it gets shot by one. As long as it is used appropriately (it isn't a magical chambering), it can definitely be a good choice. Wide spread availability is a plus.

The .257 Wby was Roy’s favorite for a reason. I really, really like mine. 100gr TTSX Barnes in front of H-1000 does a great job on deer and I wouldn’t hesitate to use it on elk. Up to about 500 yards its phenomenal. Beyond that, heavier-for-caliber bullets do better.

For reasons I can't explain, I've always had a bias against the Weatherby chamberings. But while researching this particular category, the numerous superlatives about the .257 Wby gave me pause & made me think that I might need to take a closer look at this particular chambering. It seemed like a good solution to a lot of my anticipated scenarios. I was curious how often it would get recommended & at this point in the thread, I think it's in the lead by a significant margin.

If you like shooting monometals, then look at the good old .270 Winchester. You should be able to push the 95gr TTSX to 3600 fps. I have been using the 110gr TTSX in a mid-level load and it chronographs at just under 3300fps, but Barnes shows a couple of loads at over 3400fps.

I passed on a 270 Win in a LH Sako 85 Bavarian at an attractive price because I thought it was too close & redundant to my LH Sako 85 Hunter in 30-06. Ever since then, I look back & think I may have made a mistake. It might have been a really good option to fill a slot in my safe. Doh!


Nice left-handed Ruger M77's with 24" barrels will appear on rare intervals. I've come close to buying a couple of them. I've seen a couple of LH Sako's but I wish their barrels were a bit longer than 22" for this particular cartridge. Maybe that shouldn't be a concern.

Thanks for all of the informed feedback! For me, no decision is complete until I overthink it & have way too much info. :D
 
Respect the opinion but I’ve never cared about meat damage. Just want the animal hit and dead quick. I understand others have a different opinion. What you’re describing I would consider a successful terminal result.
Well it does kill quickly.
At that time most of the depredation animals were given to a church that feed battered women and there kids first and then homeless.
Meat quality was important to there processer and they would not take a stomach shot or one like I had that busted with a shoulder shot.

I don’t know if they did it for the church free or discount.
 

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