The infamous high shoulder shot. The few times I have tried it, the animal wike up before it bleed out. They were paralyzed, but still required a follow up shot.
I used that example because if you are going try compare the effects of shock alone you need to compare the same caliber, bullet type/performance, weight, etc. A bullet’s job is to transfer energy combined with maximum penetration through vitals that’s why we generally use expanding bullets for hunting. There are a lot more variables to look at than energy (shock) alone. For my particular example you could easily do the math. Energy is 0.5xMassxVelicity Squared. Use the velocity on impact and the velocity on exit. A FMJ takes bullet performance and how they transfer energy differently out of the variables if you want to make it a scientific experiment. For hunting, There’s a reason soft cup and core worked well for years with older slower cartridges but Magnums needed tougher bonded or monolithic bullets. There’s also a reason fragmenting bullets work so well on varmints but not on a buffalo. You’re choosing a bullet that optimizes that energy transfer and tissue damage while getting full penetration through vitals. You need a lot of penetration on a buffalo. You only need a few inches on varmints. You’re choosing choose different bullets for different purposes. The combination of energy, penetration, tissue damage is what kills. You have to make it appropriate for situation.
I love Barnes TSX for buffalo. They are tough and penetration is awesome. That being said they don't create quite as big of a permanent wound channel as many of the bonded bullets do, but they do not leave a small wound channel by any means. I believe the penetration advantage outweighs the minimal wound channel difference. I've seen what they can do when a heavy shoulder joint bone is impacted. They still get through to the vitals and hold together better than most bonded bullets in my opinion.
If these are real questions, you might benefit from watching these bullet tests. Type in “Mason Leather 243” on YouTube or 223, 6.5 creedmoor, whatever you’d like. You can see the difference of bullet performance from one bullet to the next. They are all designed to perform differently. I find them really interesting to watch.
Is that do to 'shock' or the bullet coming apart and the 1000's of little pieces each causing their own, little wound channel?
I use the high shoulder shot on deer
I know the answer. I just want to know how people hold the contradicting opinions that shock kills animals, post pic of massive wounds caused by small, fast bullets, but then claim you need a big gun and a tough bullet, which doesn't have shock, to kill animals.
We did a side by side on 2 cull deer with neck shots. A 22-250 with a 40 gr vmax and a 30-06 with 180 partitions. The vmax died, the 30-06 took two more rounds in the neck to die. Intial shot placement was almost exactly the same (though small changes can make a big difference on neck shots). Do not recommend.
Wound channels seem to be a zero sum game. You can get long and narrow, or shallow and wide, or something in between. It all depdends on bullet construction and impact velocity.
But from your example, velocity is the only difference. Energy transfer will not be due to expansion.
I do however have a different approach for plains game. Next week when I'm over there and I'm done buffalo hunting with my TSX I will be using 230 grain Norma Oryx out of my 338 Win Mag for plains game. These are great expanding bullets that leave a huge wound channel. Thinner skin and lighter bones allow for different approach.
I like the oryx. I posted my experience with them in the bullet performance database. Norma puts out lots of good videos featuring their products.
Just basing what I saw with speed it really seems that faster seamed to kill better or slower with a 300gr bullet and bigger.We did a side by side on 2 cull deer with neck shots. A 22-250 with a 40 gr vmax and a 30-06 with 180 partitions. The vmax died, the 30-06 took two more rounds in the neck to die. Intial shot placement was almost exactly the same (though small changes can make a big difference on neck shots). Do not recommend.
To start out at 3000 fps I would assume you are using something in the .22 to .25 cal range, or very light for caliber bullets. How far were the shots and what was the impact velocity? Afterall, it is not how you start, it is how you finish.
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That might be an accurate statement comparing lead core to a monolithic for hunting whitetail deer, but that’s not an accurate statement for broader hunting.
