Thank you so much! I've moved on from this post, people are attacking my integrity because I dared to see the side of the PH, I have been told the other side of the story from two people who were actually there, the problem is I can't really clarify as I am not a legal representative of the outfitter, just a friend of the outfitter's daughter who I've met and worked with and done interviews with several times. I can tell you that they are a very reputable company, all PH's had the appropriate licenses, there was a and the original poster's definition of "night" is quite different than what I would consider "night". But that would be hearsay and relayed through a third party which I'm sure no one would believe anyway. I don't care to engage with them anymore. I have been reading and commenting on other threads and I find them to be much more informative and less inflammatory than this one. I actively participate in another African Hunting forum and I've found a few threads on subjects not covered there so I'm enjoying reading through them! Thanks for the warm welcome and rest assured I won't be going anywhere.