Future One-Rifle PG-DG Setup

[Schüler Jumbo]

Okay. Can do.
577 NE 7,000 ft-lbs 16-18 pound rifle weight
600 NE 7,500 ft-lbs 16-18 pound rifle weight
505 Gibbs 7,000 ft-lbs 10-12 pound rifle
577 Rewa 7,700 ft-lbs 16-18 pound rifle
600 Overkill 11,500 ft-lbs 14-16 pound rifle
.500 Jeffery 8,100 ft-lbs 10-12 pound rifle

 

[Mark458]

Okay. Can do.
577 NE 7,000 ft-lbs 16-18 pound rifle weight
600 NE 7,500 ft-lbs 16-18 pound rifle weight
505 Gibbs 7,000 ft-lbs 10-12 pound rifle
577 Rewa 7,700 ft-lbs 16-18 pound rifle
600 Overkill 11,500 ft-lbs 14-16 pound rifle
.500 Jeffery 8,100 ft-lbs 10-12 pound rifle

I just rejoined the 500J club. The main reason is because it is a great stopping round and also because it is very versatile. The 8,100 ft lbs you listed is definitely on the high side of the scale. I'm curious what bullet that is and how much powder your using to push it. The Gibbs at 7,000 is definitely on the low end of the scale and it is capable of much more than that. The reason I like the 500J is that it is very forgiving when it comes to power levels and there are far more options on bullet types and weights. Sorry to highjack the thread, but I had to give my 2 cents. I am however having 350 grain Safari Raptors loaded for my 500J so I will be trying it on plains game as well on my next buffalo hunt. A larger one gun safari rifle than normal, but one gun and one barrel to get the job done.

 

[SStomcat]

@Schüler Jumbo Ok I will let go again as it diverges from my original thread and I requested otherwise. You cannot list your hot loads for your Jeff and list standard load muzzle energy for others and then draw conclusions from the numbers.

For example, a hit to the rumen of a buffalo with your Jeff isn’t going to magically stop or drop it, regardless of the energy on paper. Conversely, a well-placed CNS shot from my 9.3×62 can be immediately fatal.
Ultimately it is not the energy alone that kills or stops, there are more important factors. Energy and weight are only two of the numerous variables in your premutaions and combinations.

 

[SStomcat]

but do you truly consider two separate barrels as one rifle. It's not what comes to mind as far as I'm concerned.

Nope I do not...

 

[curt672]

I did a lot of research on this and scoping out options -- I settled on a 416 and sighted it in with 350gr bullets. I load my own so I developed a load for my 400 gr bullets that put them only 2 in low at 100yd, for me that's 1 in low at 50 -- negligible for my DG aspirations. and the 350s will reach out very nicely and if I want more -- I also have some 300 grain loaded . Just practice with them all and know where they shoot . Or use the little colored stickers on your scope turret to help you remember if you are a turret spinner.
My last trip was a two gun --416 and 338 , I decided this next one will be a one gun, 375 H&H and I already feel under gunned lol--

 

[SStomcat]

I did a lot of research on this and scoping out options -- I settled on a 416 and sighted it in with 350gr bullets. I load my own so I developed a load for my 400 gr bullets that put them only 2 in low at 100yd, for me that's 1 in low at 50 -- negligible for my DG aspirations. and the 350s will reach out very nicely and if I want more -- I also have some 300 grain loaded . Just practice with them all and know where they shoot . Or use the little colored stickers on your scope turret to help you remember if you are a turret spinner.
My last trip was a two gun --416 and 338 , I decided this next one will be a one gun, 375 H&H and I already feel under gunned lol--

416 Rigby/RM/Taylor/Hoffman?

 

[curt672]

416 Weatherby loaded at 2550 fps

 

[Grumpy gumpy]

416 Rigby/RM/Taylor/Hoffman?

I wondered the same.
And you left the 416 cheytec off the list
Gumpy

 

[SStomcat]

I wondered the same.
And you left the 416 cheytec off the list
Gumpy

And also the Weatherby!

 

[curt672]

There are some guys on here that have a real hard on for Weatherby , thought I could slide in under the radar LOLOL

 

[Red Leg]

@Schüler Jumbo Ok I will let go again as it diverges from my original thread and I requested otherwise. You cannot list your hot loads for your Jeff and list standard load muzzle energy for others and then draw conclusions from the numbers.

For example, a hit to the rumen of a buffalo with your Jeff isn’t going to magically stop or drop it, regardless of the energy on paper. Conversely, a well-placed CNS shot from my 9.3×62 can be immediately fatal.
Ultimately it is not the energy alone that kills or stops, there are more important factors. Energy and weight are only two of the numerous variables in your premutaions and combinations.

Now that sounds like something sensible I would have written. Broadsword or rapier - both are equally lethal in the right hands. I have always much preferred the rapier, and because of carry weight - not recoil - it makes ever more sense the older I become. It is amazing how the realization that a quality 300 gr bullet from a .375 can account for any animal in Africa, large or small, will set you free.

 

[SStomcat]

Now that sounds like something sensible I would have written. Broadsword or rapier - both are equally lethal in the right hands. I have always much preferred the rapier, and because of carry weight - not recoil - it makes ever more sense the older I become. It is amazing how the realization that a quality 300 gr bullet from a .375 can account for any animal in Africa, large or small, will set you free.

Now we’re getting somewhere! I’ll concede the rapier has its attractions, especially when one has to carry it all day.
And I agree: in the right hands, both the broadsword and the rapier can get the job done.
Your 300 gr .375 argument is certainly persuasive. Perhaps the older I get, the more I’ll appreciate the wisdom of carrying less steel and putting more faith in the man behind it.

Although I suspect I’ll still keep a little room in the gun safe for a broadsword or two.

 

[Red Leg]

Now we’re getting somewhere! I’ll concede the rapier has its attractions, especially when one has to carry it all day.
And I agree: in the right hands, both the broadsword and the rapier can get the job done.
Your 300 gr .375 argument is certainly persuasive. Perhaps the older I get, the more I’ll appreciate the wisdom of carrying less steel and putting more faith in the man behind it.

Although I suspect I’ll still keep a little room in the gun safe for a broadsword or two. View attachment 793290

Absolutely! I do as well. I still have a magnificent .404, a 500/416, and a 450. My Birmingham .470 moved along not long ago. I shoot them all very well. But when it comes time to board a plane to a place where dangerous game roam, I hate dealing with more than one firearm, and nothing packs better, carries lighter, or is more versatile than my R8 wearing a .375 barrel.

Now to be completely honest, should a hippo appear in the backyard emerging from the San Gabriel. I would likely grab the .404. But, I would only have to lug it to the patio.

 

[breezyotter12]

Absolutely! I do as well. I still have a magnificent .404, a 500/416, and a 450. My Birmingham .470 moved along not long ago. I shoot them all very well. But when it comes time to board a plane to a place where dangerous game roam, I hate dealing with more than one firearm, and nothing packs better, carries lighter, or is more versatile than my R8 wearing a .375 barrel.

Now to be completely honest, should a hippo appear in the backyard emerging from the San Gabriel. I would likely grab the .404. But, I would only have to lug it to the patio.

The backyard hippo clause is the best bit lol, but yeah once you've done a few airports with a two gun case the single .375 argument kinda makes itself.

 

[hollowratchet61]

The backyard hippo clause is the best bit lol, but yeah once you've done a few airports with a two gun case the single .375 argument kinda makes itself.

One rifle also leaves room in the case for the boring stuff without turning check-in into a whole production. The.404 can stay on patio duty

 

[breezyotter12]

One rifle also leaves room in the case for the boring stuff without turning check-in into a whole production. Once you start adding extra gear, ammo boxes, cleaning bits and everything else, what should be a simple travel case somehow becomes a full logistics exercise.


There’s also something nice about keeping the setup simple and knowing exactly what you’re taking. Less to keep track of, less weight to drag around, and fewer chances of realizing at the airport that one small thing has made the whole case awkward.


The .404 can stay on patio duty for now. It’s a bit like walking into a Corgibet Casino https://corgibet-france.app with twenty games and slots available but only actually needing one or two to have a good time.

That extra case space starts feeling like a luxury pretty fast. One rifle keeps the whole trip from becoming a luggage Tetris match.

 

[SStomcat]

That extra case space starts feeling like a luxury pretty fast. One rifle keeps the whole trip from becoming a luggage Tetris match.

One rifle also leaves room in the case for the boring stuff without turning check-in into a whole production. The.404 can stay on patio duty

Respectfully this is a one rifle for PG-DG setup, thread Sir, not a thread to discuss packaging/travel cases.

 

[CBCanada]

Love this topic and discussion.

Personally for me, it would be a 375, proven, available, tons of bullet choice, flat shooting for PG, has shot countless thousands of elephants. On a pretty M98 as a base with a 1-6 or 1-8 sturdy optic.

404J, I am learning more about and seems interesting.

If my decision was for Ele or leaning heavily into DG as the main objective it would be some sort of 416 for more punch.

Difficult to cover everything and not sacrifice something on the DG or PG side of the equation.

But only 1? A silky M98 .375 would be my choice

 

[gritty_harrier72]

Love this topic and discussion.

Personally for me, it would be a 375, proven, available, tons of bullet choice, flat shooting for PG, has shot countless thousands of elephants. On a pretty M98 as a base with a 1-6 or 1-8 sturdy optic.

404J, I am learning more about and seems interesting.

If my decision was for Ele or leaning heavily into DG as the main objective it would be some sort of 416 for more punch.

Difficult to cover everything and not sacrifice something on the DG or PG side of the equation.

But only 1? A silky M98 .375 would be my choice

A .375 on an M98 feels like the least compromised answer, especially when the rifle still has to be pleasant enough for PG. The.416 temptation never really goes away though

 

[Ontario Hunter]

A .375 on an M98 feels like the least compromised answer, especially when the rifle still has to be pleasant enough for PG. The.416 temptation never really goes away though

404 fits into a standard 98 Mauser. 375 requires cutting into forward ring or magnum action (= $$$!).

I don't understand why the OP thinks two scopes for two purposes for the same gun is over complicated. 400 gr 404 for heavyweight dangerous game and then bounce down to 325 gr for plains game. Change bullets and loads = different trajectory and impact. Just switch scopes. Both scopes zeroed for specific ammo.