Big Beautiful Bill

[Hunt anything]

I hunt mostly block management private land in Montana. The landowner gets paid by the state per hunter signing in. But many if not most of those landowners are essentially forced into the program. Their ranch is mostly federal lease or state school lands. If I can step onto those public land sections from a public road ( = ANY path formerly used by a school bus or mail truck) then the landowner can't stop my access and hunting. Oh, a lot of bigshot eastern transplant hobby "ranchers" (put the present governor and US senator in that bunch, both GOP of course) have tried to stop us from accessing those lands but hasn't worked ... so far. Seems every other year the state has to waste millions in legal costs fighting their appeals. Now they're trying a different tactic. Got their patsy in the White House and his partisan idiots control the legislature to hand the land over. Don't expect to get anywhere writing to them. They are blind and deaf. Very good news this morning hearing Trump has self-destructed ... again. At some point the world has got to stop listening to him. Our only hope is to hang onto that land until midterms next year when we (yes, I'm a US citizen) will turf these greedy clowns. Sad that many good guys will probably get axed with them. It is a mess. Every day I wake up and say "What next?" By this fall Cheeto Man will know he's lame duck. Then watch that vindictive nut get even crazier. The F word will be a daily occurrence. Hard to be a proud American these days.

May not be the same thing but didn’t the SCOTUS determine that land owners do not have the right to keep people from accessing public land? They were calling it corner law or something like that.

 

[Hunt anything]

Texas, unlike most western states, is 98% private and there are infinitely more hunting opportunities than there are in California, for example. Public lands are usually poorly managed and hunting fees, using California as an example again, may be diverted into the general fund rather than to support wildlife and habitat. The issue isn’t remotely black and white.

There is a lot of public land hunting in California, I’ve hunted several areas in Northern California in the past for waterfowl, bear and deer. I haven’t been since the late 90’s so things may have changed.

With regards to Texas, I’ve hunted from the panhandle to the Rio Grande excluding the hill country. The costs have gotten so out of hand I may never be able to afford it again. Granted the opportunity is there but quickly becoming only available to the affluent.

 

[analog_peninsula]

98% private and there are infinitely more hunting opportunities than there are in California, for example.

Perhaps. My understanding is a lot of those hunting opportunities come at a price. Not everyone can afford to pay those prices.

You are certainly right that trophy hunting in Texas can be obscenely expensive, but meat deer and hogs can be hunted very reasonably. I hate to keep picking in California, but I’m reasonably familiar with the situation there. What’s the state wide hunter success rate for deer? Maybe 15%? Given the amount of land available, it’s very poorly managed and maintained.

 

[Rubberhead]

May not be the same thing but didn’t the SCOTUS determine that land owners do not have the right to keep people from accessing public land? They were calling it corner law or something like that.

I actually think that's the genesis for Lee adding the land sale provision in the BBB.

"Checkerboarding" public and private land in the west was a way to give surrounding land owners exclusive rights to hunt public land but not have to pay property taxes or buy the land in the first place. It worked until corner crossing was deemed legal now, all the sudden, they want to sell the public sections of land and give adjacent landowners the first rights to both nominate land for sale and bid on it. Randy Newberg has been all over this thing...

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Everyone has an opinion about Trump in both directions, but I have to believe the reason alot of our unexpected 2A “wins” lately are because Jr. is in the President’s ear.

Who cares about gun control if there's no place left to use them?

 

[Hunt anything]

Who cares about gun control if there's no place left to use them?

For the most part hunting has very little to do with the 2nd amendment. It’s about personal freedom and protection. I only have a few hunting weapons but lets just say “plenty” of personal protection weapons.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I actually think that's the genesis for Lee adding the land sale provision in the BBB.

"Checkerboarding" public and private land in the west was a way to give surrounding land owners exclusive rights to hunt public land but not have to pay property taxes or buy the land in the first place. It worked until corner crossing was deemed legal now, all the sudden, they want to sell the public sections of land and give adjacent landowners the first rights to both nominate land for sale and bid on it. Randy Newberg has been all over this thing...

Checkerboard was due to land grants of every other section along the tracks to railroad companies. They could sell the land to finance construction. That only comprises a small part of federal land remaining in the West. Look at the yellow BLM land on the block management maps. Very little of it is in checkerboard configuration. Homesteaders (or ranch employees) often took up checkerboard areas using different family members/ranch hands. That way they could lock up the non-homesteaded chunks between them. Then Teddy Roosevelt made the BLM which kept the land from further homestead land grabbing. And BLM made the checkerboard ranchers/farmers pay for using what wasn't theirs (a nominal amount of course).

 

[Justhunt]

Hey Ontario Hunter, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting and hunting land. For a so called educated man you sure say some dumb things. If you dont like America and its politics at the monent, why not just stay up there in Canada?

 

[Ontario Hunter]

For the most part hunting has very little to do with the 2nd amendment. It’s about personal freedom and protection. I only have a few hunting weapons but lets just say “plenty” of personal protection weapons.

Yeah, everyone should have the right to a gunship parked in their driveway. Or building A-bombs in their bunkers.

 

[3chunter]

Yeah, everyone should have the right to a gunship parked in their driveway. Or building A-bombs in their bunkers.

Anything the government can have that the people can’t is tyranny.
Just my opinion.

 

[Hunt anything]

Yeah, everyone should have the right to a gunship parked in their driveway. Or building A-bombs in their bunkers.

If I can find a good used cobra, Apache or a good little bird for a good price I know an experienced pilot.
The little bird must come with 2.75” rockets on one pod and a 7.62 Gatling on the other.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Hey Ontario Hunter, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting and hunting land. For a so called educated man you sure say some dumb things. If you dont like America and its politics at the monent, why not just stay up there in Canada?

Read it. 2nd Amendment is about 1780 shortsighted concept of national defense using state ad hoc militias in lieu of a standing army. That idea went out the window by the end of War of 1812. Hard to supply an army if everyone is using a different gun. Ever since then the 2nd Amendment has been misapplied ... mostly for the benefit of gun manufacturers.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Anything the government can have that the people can’t is tyranny.
Just my opinion.

The opposite is anarchy.

 

[Rubberhead]

Read it. 2nd Amendment is about 1780 shortsighted concept of national defense using state ad hoc militias in lieu of a standing army. That idea went out the window by the end of War of 1812. Hard to supply an army if everyone is using a different gun. Ever since then the 2nd Amendment has been misapplied ... mostly for the benefit of gun manufacturers.

Not according to Federalist 46.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Read it. 2nd Amendment is about 1780 shortsighted concept of national defense using state ad hoc militias in lieu of a standing army. That idea went out the window by the end of War of 1812. Hard to supply an army if everyone is using a different gun. Ever since then the 2nd Amendment has been misapplied ... mostly for the benefit of gun manufacturers.

Well thank you for your legal guidance and interpretation, fortunately pretty much every court decision in the history of America would disagree with you.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

All this talk about selling federal land, and then the USGS releases this:

USGS Releases Report on Oil and Gas Potential Beneath U.S. Public Lands

The Department of the Interior announced a USGS report on undiscovered oil and gas resources under the federally managed public lands of the U.S., estimating that there are technically recoverable resources of 29.4 billion barrels of oil and 391.6 trillion cubic feet of gas.

www.usgs.gov

 

[Russ16]

For the most part hunting has very little to do with the 2nd amendment. It’s about personal freedom and protection. I only have a few hunting weapons but lets just say “plenty” of personal protection weapons.

Constitutionally you are correct. But functionally if you eliminate hunting a huge group of gun owners wouldn’t care if they banned them anymore.

 

[Hunt anything]

Constitutionally you are correct. But functionally if you eliminate hunting a huge group of gun owners wouldn’t care if they banned them anymore.

True but in many countries you can own sporting arms such as Great Britain and other European countries. There are hoops to go through but the 2nd makes us unique.
My circle of friends have a variety of sporting arms and personal protection arms as I do but there are a few that only have a bird gun and a deer rifle. We can’t afford to lose any gun owners or public land.

 

[Inkgardener]

Who cares about gun control if there's no place left to use them?

In Oklahoma, the only place you can’t legally fire a gun is within city limits and the few national parks.

 

[BonUm16]

Mike Lee's sweeping public lands sale blocked in Senate - Moab Sun News

Utah Senator Mike Lee's ambitious plan to sell off vast tracts of public land has been blocked in the Senate. Learn why the Byrd Rule halted the proposal and what could happen next.

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