the loads gien in the o.p. are not apples and apples.
as clodo said, the 9.3x62 has more case capacity, and a greater expansion ratio than the whelen.
yet the load (58gn) for the whelen is bigger than the 9.3(56gn).
thus the 9.3, all things being equal, is not running at the same pressure as the whelen in that example.
Default water capacity for 9,3x62 is 78 grains. 35w is 70.6gr.In the information I pulled off the Nosler website the 35 Whelen (63.3 Gr. Water) has more capacity than the 9.3x62 (62.5 Gr Water).
I agree that we do not know at what pressure the loads are, but Nosler data appears to be pretty aggressive from my understanding.
I understand why the 9.3x62 is more popular, I am just saying it is basically apples to apples.
@DG870Not a lot of factory rifles in 35W but it’s not hard to find one if you want one. As previously mentioned, Remington made the 700 Classic in 35W and you can still find them for sale. Ruger chambered the 77 in 35W and you can order the 35W in a Nosler 48, Cooper and the Montana Rifle Company made them in 35W (I think they’re not in business any more?).
I just checked Online auctions and found 5 Whelen’s for sale. (1 Remington, 1 Ruger, 1 made on an 03-A3 action and 2 made on Mauser actions.
My Whelen is based on an FN Mauser action and it’s fun to shoot. Had it out yesterday trying some 225 grain Sierras. Recoil is very manageable.
I live in the center of the USA and our big game here is primarily deer. We don’t have to travel too far to hunt elk.
For my location the Whelen is more practical to own than the 9.3x62. You can usually find a box or two of Remington core lock 35W in our local shops and 30-06 brass is plentiful to make your own. I reload for my Whelen and primarily use the Hornady 250 grain Spire Point.
I’ve thought about why the Whelen isn’t more popular and it’s obvious, at least to me, that there are several reasons. There are not many factory rifles chambered for it, it’s not mainstream commonly mentioned rifle in hunting magazines, you don’t really need a 250 grain bullet to kill a deer and there are powerful calibers that have more reach for larger game like elk.
I mainly use mine for hog hunting. . The heavy slow bullets easily defeat the gristle plate for quick clean kills. I own it, not that I really need it (hope my wife doesn’t read this) but I enjoy owning something a little different and like the history of the cartridge that gave American hunters “big” bore capability using commonly available actions and components.
I have no experience with the 9.3x62 but I have no doubt that it is a fine cartridge with an interesting history but the 35 Whelen just works better for my situation and I really doubt that game shot with a properly placed shot from either caliber will be able to tell the difference.
@Aaron.FI was reading through the "If the 9.3x62 became the new legal minimum?" thread and I saw a couple of people talked about the 35 Whelen. I now have rifles in both 35 Whelen and 9.3x62 and am looking closer at them and they are ballistically the same.
I looked at the Nosler reloading information on line, both are shot from 26" barrels, which is longer than most people will use but at least they are the same for comparison.
9.3x62 250 grain, Sectional Density =0.267
56.0 gr of IMR 4064 for 2582 fps, this is a max load and the highest velocity
35 Whelen 250 grain, Sectional Density =0.279
58.0 gr of IMR 4064 for 2637 fps, this is a max load and the highest velocity
The 9.3x62 is .006" in diameter bigger and the 35 Whelen has a 0.012 higher section density and has about a 50 fps advantage. I may be wrong and some loonies are going to correct me, they are essentially the same. I guess I never fully realized this until I took the time to compare.
Anything that can be said about the 9.3x62 can be said about the 35 Whelen and vice versa. Am I missing something?
@ChristotIf you load both to allowable CIP pressures the 9,3x62 has more energy. But does every reloader know the real pressure of its load? Do they have access to a Firing Proof House for example?
In a quality case a primer will not necessarily indicate if you're just above 3900 or 4000 bar. Also velocity of a bullet is not telling you the full story of the pressure curve and maximum pressure. So you might think you have found a very powerful load with no bad signs but pressure might be well above the limits of the specifications.
In Europe for example the 9,3x62 is a standard cartridge and widely available with a lot of different loads. The 35 wheelen is exotic and nearly unknown and not available.
@Aaron.FI believe the 220-225 grain bullets are listed as breaking 2800 fps for the 35 Whelen.
The 275 grain Whelen bullet is around 2350-2400 fps as well, as i understand it.
My ultimate question is why do people tend to lean towards the 9.3x62 being better, when it doesn't appear to be, its basically the same. My thoughts are that it is regional in all reality, the Whelen just doesn't have as much history, especially in Africa.
@Coldo FerreiraThose are facts, Shootist. Almost no rifle manufacturers do offer one in .35 Whelen. Being equals or no, the 9,3x62 is more popular than ever! And the main European cartridge brands have many modern loads for the 9,3 Mauser. RWS and NORMA the best samples.