Baby on the way - Looking for GunSafe

TFet said:

Hey @WFet wanna grab me one in the 615?

Thank you!

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You bring the trailer, I'll find one!

Reasonable precautions are a locked area. If you take reasonable precautions and have a forced entry event, you are not going to need lawyering up as a defense.

My primary concern is keeping ammo and weapons from coming into contact with one another in the hands of someone untrained. (child, ignorant adult)

Worries of thefts are best mitigated by living in a good neighborhood and having a simple lock that prevents anything but forced entry. I don't secure my home or car against brute force attacks, a rock to a window gets into a car. A body slam to a door gets into a room. As it is, 99%+ of all theft is by someone on drugs looking for a very rapid in-out, they aren't going for the oak and leather cased rifles, they are looking for watches, money, and phones they can flip fast.

Classic example from the thug actor Mark Wahlberg when he brought his criminal buddies to a movie set once. They asked what the cameras were worth, to which he replied "they are leased by one company, they are worth $300k each", to which his buddies said "we're going to steal them!", to which Mark replied "but where would you sell them?" which ended the discussion. You can't sell fine guns easily, much less if they are stolen. You can't easily use them in crimes. (any gun crimes with 6.5x54MS reported?) You can't carry them easily.

Maybe if I had 30 glocks around I'd feel differently, but then again, you could just move to a better neighborhood with the money it takes to buy 30 glocks.

It's just my opinion, yours can and does differ on the probability and impact of security events.

As to fire events, I think the fancy safes are sort of a sham. You don't want to own any gun that has been through a housefire, baking in a safe. The fact that it is less apparently damaged harms your ability to demand a loss from insurance than if it was incinerated.

@rookhawk ,

After working several years in a large factory close to Philadelphia, I have a different take on humanity. Want a Yves St. Laurent suit? What size? Fifty five gallon drum of motor oil? What weight? Cigarettes? Hmm, these don't have a tax stamp but the price is right. (Google John's Vending Philadelphia mob.)
I need to get rid of a pair of matching Merkel double rifles, can I swap them for a couple Glocks? Sure, what caliber do you want? I can get rid of these doubles. My brother that works on the docks will put them on a ship going to the mideast tomorrow morning. "Officer, my car has been stolen". "How long ago?" I guess within the morning hours". "Too late. If we don't get the report within twenty minutes, it's already in a chop shop and taken apart".

Been on this rock over seven decades. Don't delude yourself. I don't care what it is or how much it cost, it can be EASILY sold/fenced/traded on the black market and/or shipped overseas within twenty four hours. I bet there are stolen cars sitting in ships at U.S. docks right now, already sold to overseas buyers. As far as living in a good neighborhood, they're the prime targets!

I hunt groundhogs, deer and coyotes in a very exclusive area filled with large horse farms. Their owners are not poor. This is a news story from that area. The stolen firearm was obviously not in a safe but was used in a crime in Murdertown, USA.

https://www.southernchestercountywe...cle_b69e31be-2bae-11e9-b069-1b2b67fa9f17.html

rookhawk said:

Google Eastern Insurance / Hanover Fine Firearms Insurance.

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Thank you very much for the information and I will be checking this out.
However, I disagree with you on not having a safe for the reasons you outlined.
A safe/vault/RSC is in fact a reasonable measure for the protection of valuables.
I mean no offense and I hope you don't take it that way.
Perhaps agree to disagree on this point.

It's like anything else in life how much do you want to spend. Fact is I can get in to most safes inside of 10-15 mins and I'm not that good. A real safe cost money and one that can make it through a fire and keep everything good is even more. It all depends on how important your gun/valuables are to you.

Buy a safe, a good one, lest your prizes end up like these.

If you were just trying to keep it away from children I'd say just get a decent locking cabinet at Wally-world. But, I have a good Liberty safe for the handful of firearms I own, my documents and my cameras.
Honestly, in this day and age any safe can be broken in fast with some know how. So the best advice is get a decent one and bolt it down to the foundation. The more time it takes to get it open and/or move it the less likey it will happen. I say this because I knew a guy who lost the whole thing when thieves took it through a wall, dropped it on a truck and took care of it later. It's really amazing what can occur without anyone noticing during he middle of the day while everyone is at work.

Somewhat OT, but if anyone's interested in doing freelance colonoscopies. LE figures they're on their way offshore. Aside that, if it can be stolen, it can be fenced.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/new...uspects-Wynnewood-Lower-Merion-509034651.html

Hey, it's Philly!

Firstly Congratulations to you and your wife!

Being an Aussie, we HAVE to keep All firearms in an approved Cabinet/Gun safe. Currently I run two, one for ammo one for long arms. If I had my time again I would purchase and second hand bank/Vault safe and have it refurbished with a good digital lock. I also have a two boys aged 6 and 2.5 and yes I'm teaching them firearm safety but I like the fact there is protection from curious little minds!

Buy bigger than you think. If you are able definantly build it into the wall also. My wife and I are in the process of finishing up or basement / trophy room. We built a 24 gun safe into the wall under the steps. I should have bought a bigger one because now it is kind of stuck, but looks very nice. They take up so much room and getting it recessed into the wall helps a ton with space