My .500 Jeffery wish list build MEMBERS opinions are welcome

Are you thinking a similar setup to the CZ 550 barrel recoil lug. I think it is a good idea for the stock. There is a big lump of wood in the forend and no big holes cut out so it is a good place to push some recoil into. The normal recoil lug is just in front of the magazine hole and I think it stresses THE corners of that hole. The only thing you will need to worry about is ensuring the two lugs are both in contact and that your front lug doesn't pressure the barrel. Cz has a loose metal insert in the stock and I epoxied it into the stock. My 458 is a tack driver and no noticeable effect on accuracy..
Yes , I am sure a recoil lug to the barrel of the 500Jeffery fully bedded will not have a dire effect on accuracy at all...since the rifle stock/barreled action is bedded together with epoxy..the full bedding will add another feature to the rifle stock making is much stronger ..
 
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This is the first magazine box bend ..I am working on two systems the large magazine box design AND the standard magazine box design with Schuler type spacer plate Craig Klintworth explained to me when I bought the Schuler plate/magnum spring from him..

The process to make the 500 Jeffery round feed reliable will be the most focused process of this rifle build...it will take time and it will involved a lot of changes/re-makes /focus to ensure I achieve the reliability of feeding /cycling a 500 Jeffery round through the receiver..
 
Maybe you can dovetail a barrel recoil lug into the barrel if you have enough meat in the barrel contour? Also make sure you relieve the area behind the tang to avoid splitting the stock there.
 
Completing the recoil lug:
Showing the steps from beginning until it fit onto the .500Jeffery barrel.
 

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Maybe you can dovetail a barrel recoil lug into the barrel if you have enough meat in the barrel contour? Also make sure you relieve the area behind the tang to avoid splitting the stock there.
Nohoro, yes I can do the dove tail on the barrel to slide the recoil lug in..the other option is to simply silver solder it to the barrel. Yes, relieving the area behind the tang is really important..I saw standard Mauser rifles in 308W calibers who had splits from the rear of the tang through the bottom of the grip as well. Will polish and burnishing compound on the buffing wheel...I want it to be shining and smooth..
 

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I found an example of a nice contoured Barrel band sling swivel
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When building a new rifle , importance of accumulating ammo /brass cases is as important as building the rifle . I have sourced in a limited time period a lot of loaded rounds and brass cases. I am still awaiting for 50x brass cases that is on it`s way...it is 50x free cases ..at this stage I did not spend a lot of money at all on these loaded rounds and cases at all..tomorrow will find me commence making the barrel band swivel item..

I will try a new milling technique to make the barrel band ..I have not previously use the plunging technique when milling steel ..so tomorrow is a new technique and I hope to be successful ..this technique is faster than the horizontal milling technique..it ensures getting in small spaces around the barrel band when milling it form a piece of steel..
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I did make some progress today...I already completed the re-coil lug ...this I need to silver solder onto the bottom of the barrel..

Today I spend time to start making the Barrel Band swivel stud . Here are a few photos , I hope to be able to complete it coming Monday. The round steel bar will be used to drill/mill out a solid front banded sight.post ...
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The reason I drilled two holes is to work out my lathe turning procedure and then work on the second one as the real barrel band swivel stud ...

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I decided to make all the extras like the re-coil lug, the barrel band swivel stud , then the solid one piece front sight base /barrel as well as the 1/4 V-express rib with the 75 meters distance flip up leaf ...the flip up leaf will be under high tension as to not flip up and stay down in position while shooting the rifle using the ghost ring aperture sight dove=tailed into the cocking piece at the back of the shroud.
This round bar will be ideal to mill out/ drill out the one piece front ramp/sight.
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Gert
You should be good to go at 12 lbs.
I’ve always wondered why the flip up blades on the rear V express
I alway considered the 500 and 505 to be stopping guns good for that 10-40 yd range as you mentioned. Alas I never had the opportunity to shoot anything but paper or wood targets that weren’t going to eat me
Sounds like you have this well thought out
Keep posting your progress pics
Richard
Richard in regards to the choice of the 1/4 rib V-express sight...I decided to fit only ONE V-express 75 meter distance indicator blade ...this blade will be folding down...under strong spring tension..since the Ghost Ring aperture sight will be my primary sight...BUT since I build the 1/4 rib it needs to house at least a distance indicator blade...I am currently designing it will give all attention to it when I completed all the items I want to fit onto the barrel...
 
I'm afraid I have to correct you on this point. The documents your statements are based on date back to the 1990s and are now outdated. Today, the history of the .500 "Jeffery" can be reconstructed quite accurately, and there is virtually no evidence pointing to a contribution by W.J. Jeffery & Co., whereas there is a great deal of evidence supporting August Schüler and, in particular, his son Richard.


The first indication is the rebated rim of the cartridge. This was a characteristic feature of Schüler cartridges. The first cartridge to incorporate this design was the 11.2×60 Schüler, introduced around 1904. August Schüler believed so strongly in the concept that he protected it with a German registered utility model (D.R.G.M. No. 239127). The same principle was later applied to the more powerful 11.2×72 Schüler, introduced in 1907.


Since Richard Schüler only protected this design within the German Empire, Westley Richards quickly recognized the potential of such a cartridge, resulting in the introduction of the .425 Westley Richards shortly thereafter. At that time, British gunmakers frequently adopted German technical innovations or introduced virtually identical designs under English names. The .275 Rigby, which is nothing more than the German 7×57 Mauser, is perhaps the best-known example.


Another strong argument is the overall design of the .500 cartridge itself. It is remarkably compact and appears to have been designed specifically to fit a standard Mauser 98 action. August Schüler built his sporting rifles exclusively on standard Mauser actions, whereas Jeffery generally preferred Magnum Mauser actions, to which Schüler simply did not have access.


Had the cartridge originally been designed for a Magnum action, there would have been no need for such a pronounced rebated rim—or it could at least have been made considerably larger. Furthermore, the cartridge could easily have been made longer overall, allowing for greater powder capacity. Its compact dimensions make perfect sense only in the context of a standard-length Mauser 98 receiver.


It should also be noted that British sporting cartridges had virtually no presence in Germany at the time, and in many respects this has remained true to the present day. The opposite, however, was certainly the case. German cartridges such as the 7×57 Mauser and the 9.3×62 gained enormous popularity throughout the British Empire.


Another important point is the role of W.J. Jeffery itself. The company was much more of an assembler than a designer, at least when it came to bolt-action sporting rifles. Jeffery purchased its Mauser actions and barreled actions "in the white" almost exclusively from Germany, including from August Schüler himself (see attached photographs). In fact, I would argue that Jeffery was one of the best customers of the Suhl gun trade.


Against this background, it is hardly surprising that the .500 Jeffery appeared shortly after the introduction of the .500 Schüler. The timing was almost certainly not a coincidence. Jeffery itself even states that the cartridge did not originate in-house:


https://www.wjjeffery.com/500-magazine-rifle


I personally know of two original Schüler "Jumbo" rifles. One bears a serial number in the 24xxx range, the other in the 25xxx range, and both carry identical proof dates. Today we know that the 12.7×70, or .500 Schüler, had already been developed in 1920, while the first Jumbo rifles were sold in 1924. In total, approximately 110 rifles were manufactured, almost all of which were exported, primarily to the former German colonies and the Belgian Congo.


The question of why the British .500 Jeffery ultimately became the better-known cartridge has a rather straightforward answer.


Germany lost two World Wars, lost all of its overseas colonies, and from 1933 onwards had far more pressing concerns than developing or marketing heavy elephant cartridges. After 1945, Richard Schüler was no longer allowed to continue operating his own business. Like most other Suhl gunmakers, he was absorbed into the state-run BÜHAG, where there was naturally no interest in dangerous-game cartridges within socialist East Germany. As a result, the 12.7×70 Schüler disappeared from the market for many decades.


Fortunately, today the cartridge has experienced something of a revival. Correctly dimensioned cartridge cases, reloading dies, suitable bullets, and even properly dimensioned barrels from Lothar Walther are once again available.


Best regards.
Horbs, I need to thank you kindly for this great informative reply, now I know the real story and facts . Thank you again..I should have responded a long time ago ..my apologies , I should have focused more when reading through the tread ..this is why I always read through a thread I started, to see information I did not give full attention to..// This current example of the 500Jeffery /photos with the Schuler plate bolted to the underside of the Mauser 98 receiver???? How many 500Jeffery rounds is in the magazine ??
 
The first .404 Jeffery rifles were all built on the standard K98 action, just like the .375 H&H versions. You can still find plenty of literature on this today, and occasionally even a Mauser rifle of this type for sale. In more recent times, there have also been numerous conversions of K98 rifles to .404 and .375. Some gunsmiths still perform this work today (though you have to find a competent one who is familiar with vintage Mauser rifles and capable of such a job). The Jeffery rifle in .404 NE built by August Schüler—photos of which I posted here a few days ago—was also based on the standard action. I am not sure exactly how long Rigby held the right of first refusal on the magnum actions, but by 1918 at the latest, Jeffery should have had access to them as well.
The first .404 Jeffery rifles were all built on the standard K98 action, just like the .375 H&H versions. You can still find plenty of literature on this today, and occasionally even a Mauser rifle of this type for sale. In more recent times, there have also been numerous conversions of K98 rifles to .404 and .375. Some gunsmiths still perform this work today (though you have to find a competent one who is familiar with vintage Mauser rifles and capable of such a job). The Jeffery rifle in .404 NE built by August Schüler—photos of which I posted here a few days ago—was also based on the standard action. I am not sure exactly how long Rigby held the right of first refusal on the magnum actions, but by 1918 at the latest, Jeffery should have had access to them as well.
Yes, I bought a Wesley Richards 404 Jeffery about 15 years ago..it was build on a standard Mauser action.
 
That’s good news. Is that based on a visual or did you drop a 12 degree piece of brass in the chamber?
Only received the barreled action back recently..dummy round fit beautifully ..so it is 12 degree shoulder angle
 
Here are photos of my original Schuler Jumbo.
You can see what an artillery piece these rifles are considering that’s a half inch hole in the end!!
The hood release is the little button on the side of the ramp and the hood itself is THICK ! Not just a shade but for real protection .

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This one, although not a 500 Jeff., is a 500 Ruger No.1 which, I believe had the original front sight split and opened up for the 500 barrel.
Pretty slick I think and gives a good amount of solder area for a strong join.

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Huvius, the folding Hood option is something I can see that really focused on what a real Stopping rifle aught to look like with these sturdy front sights base and folding hood.. (y)

I will add the night sight folding down bead in front of the stationary bead ...My plan is to mill/drill the Front sight ramp/ base from a 50mm steel round bar I want to keep every part /item I am fitting to the 500 Jeffery a solid steel manufactured item..Here is the 50mm solid round bar that I will mill/drill build the barreled front sight ramp from..
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I have just stumbled upon this thread, and I wished I would have seen it earlier. I know Horbs has been working on recreating a 500 Schuler style rifle, which I have looked forward to seeing the finished product. Now I very much wished to see your completed rifle as well. I have an original August Schuler Jumbo, which Horbs spoke of in one of his post.

My rifle weighs 11 pounds 2 oz, and has a 26 inch barrel length. I cannot imagine shooting a 500 Schuler/Jeffery in a rifle that weighs less. After firing my Schuler about 20 or so times I start to develop a mild headache. Also I find my middle finger on my right hand bangs against the back of the trigger guard and gets bruised. I actually tape padding to the finger before shooting to prevent it from bruising. I can add additional photos if you wish.
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I have just stumbled upon this thread, and I wished I would have seen it earlier. I know Horbs has been working on recreating a 500 Schuler style rifle, which I have looked forward to seeing the finished product. Now I very much wished to see your completed rifle as well. I have an original August Schuler Jumbo, which Horbs spoke of in one of his post.

My rifle weighs 11 pounds 2 oz, and has a 26 inch barrel length. I cannot imagine shooting a 500 Schuler/Jeffery in a rifle that weighs less. After firing my Schuler about 20 or so times I start to develop a mild headache. Also I find my middle finger on my right hand bangs against the back of the trigger guard and gets bruised. I actually tape padding to the finger before shooting to prevent it from bruising. I can add additional photos if you wish.View attachment 800412View attachment 800413View attachment 800414View attachment 800415
John thank you kindly, these photos and information in regards to the 500 Jeffery is very much appreciated. I am going to do the same front sight as on your 500 Schuler Jumbo rifle..the ghost ring will be my own design previously I used for my 375H&H Magnum years ago.

I still have not decided what type of magazine set up I want to use ..I have different options:
1) The Craig Klintworth Schuler plate , standard Mauser magazine , changed rear trigger guard , staggered magazine feed , 3x rounds in magazine 1x round in the chamber.

2) My own idea:
Magnum size magazine box, magnum aluminum follower to fit in the magnum box , magnum strength magazine spring (wide) to effectively push up the 3 x heavy 500 Jeffery rounds up the magazine to feed.

3) Researched Idea ( Friend in Argentina) Drop Box build with spring steel two spring fingers keeping the rounds in the drop box , bottom metal open , in-line feeding 3x down magazine , 1x round chamber.

4) Combination of these different options.

As always I really am asking members to provide your input in regards to this build I am currently doing under the guidance of my Mentor Johan Greyling of JS Gunsmiths in Witbank South Africa, the manufacturer of ZAR black powder to use in hist Historical duplicated Black powder front loader canons ...
 

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