Gday
Thanks for link
@matt85 interesting stuff for sure
Moving on a touch ( not disrespecting you Matt or the poll ) as I See we are entering the same old stuff again of this vrs that brand .
Let’s hopefully step back a bit & break this down a touch & look @ this from a non brand situation & what is actually doing what
So we see different results from good to poor here & I’ll include the link from Matt as it also has some good stuff along with poor that show the same traits of where the solids give good, average, less than ideal results to total failures & yet the critter died in most cases but what about the lost ones ??
those usually go down the path of people will put up things like placement issues ( not dismissing placement @ all but usually more to it than the normal line of suggestion of placement being it )
Now
@375Fox gave us something to think about
That’s a really good one to work with imo & let’s take the hypothetical scenario & see how we go ?
First bullet A giving the 5 not working as designed results
1 maybe lack of penetration (1)
1 maybe a tumble (2)
1 maybe a turn (3)
1 maybe actually be a placement issue (4)
1 maybe unrecovered critter due to terrain / boarders etc (5)
So now we move too bullet B
& the 1 not as designed result occurance
( Oh I wish we had such bullets commercially available )
So now why does bullet B give those results ??
Because it covers more bases or another way to look @ it doesn’t have as many weaknesses as bullet A
Why comes down to a few things &
number 1,2&3 with bullet number A is a good starting point as this gives us the most insight & it’s understanding those that is important !!
Imo we shouldn’t put the it worked so all is good forward , yes still need them but to say that’s end of story is not getting it as that dosent get us the why’s of known failure points of that bullet number A to fully understand the better option for the task ahead that bullet number B has covered better
Yes trying to discuss openly & with a clear head is hard but can be done with some we will see here ( sadly it’s not often the case & you’ll see the same old pattern of “my brand gave this result” & why ultimately the bullet industry is slow to adjust to the better bullet technology of the day we will see in this thread which way it goes ? )
So let’s look @ those numbers for bullet number A
1/ is caused from either going outside the bullets working abilities or the wrong bullet for the application ahead ( the design expands or is of a limiting penetration design or not working on maximum requirements eg it works on a cow perfectly but found wanting on a bull then add various angles etc )
2/ can be caused from number one plus the design itself & the longer the bullet the more leverage it has along with the chance of bending occurring especially the smaller calibers
So now a lead base solid is better then to stop the bending or tumble ??
No not @ all as the centre of gravity ( cog ) is pushed even further back towards the base of the bullet giving it a issue also & a greater chance of tumble as the arse of that style want to get to the front & because the cog is back further it’s easier for it to do it ,
Yep no free lunch as one fixes one part it creates another problem
3/ turns usually are related more to the meplat style or the meplat that created & then number 1&2 come into play with this on some cases
yes meplat style /design is extremely important & understanding the strengths & weaknesses of them one will see that they are not all equal across various resistances
4/ placement that easy right ?
Well no not really if we delve deeper as we better understand the true capabilities of them as depends on what style/design /weight bullet we are using or we can get a false sense of security/belief on what occurred as it maybe a bullet that’s great on a broadside shot through the ribs but shows weakness on big bones so placement is one that is important to look @ what works better where or a slower velocity vrs a higher velocity etc the list goes on
5/ now we hear placement is the problem here? Hmm not the full picture once again as not all lost critters are placement issues it’s a deeper story than that in some cases as if we don’t understand those 4 numbers above we have increased our chances of number 5 occurring & that also comes down sometimes to a result that no one truly knows what occurred yep totally but if you use a bullet that gives more consistency across multiple parameters you on the average get shorter impact to tip distance &or time & that lessons lost critters
Yes bullet B is better because it’s understood why
Not targeting or disrespect to anyone I’m just stating known facts as I understand them & hoping it can help some or someone? While I may also learn on a reply if they come if not all cool
hope that all makes sense?
Cheers
