Have you done a driven pheasant/grouse hunt in the UK or Spain?

I couldn’t agree more. I’ll never forget my first drive. At the time I was a master class sporting clays competitor, and so reasonably competent with a shotgun. I was on the line between two friends, both instructors at Holland and Holland. They schooled me quite badly on that first drive, but were gracious enough to coach me into respectability. After that I made a practice of time on their tower at the London shooting grounds before embarking on a shoot. It’s a shot most Americans never see, even on a clays or FITASC course.
Spot on here. The high incomer that's screaming at you 50 yards up is a brutal target. I've yet to find a tower in my area to practice on. Headed to England Friday and will spend a day at Grimsthorpe Clays Grounds next week working on these driven targets. Unbelievably good fun if you're into clays / game shooting.
 
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I grew up shooting Geese as high incomers. Didn't have any decoys so did a lot of fence line shooting. It's one of my favorite shots.
 
I did the Temu version of the Spanish one as a beater when I lived there. The shooters were local doctors and lawyers, nothing that special. One of my military buds, was actually from the area around the Naval Station and his cousin was a game keeper on a big estate near Jerez.

Was in 2006, I think. None of this landed gentry kind of thing.

I would imagine the British version of that is just as upper crust, but would highly depend on the organizer and property.

I think the Scottish walked up days would be good, and I think I would prefer that. I don't know what I would have in common with people on the shoot. I would imagine that it is the Purdey and Rolls Royce crowd.

If you had a group of friends that is an entirely different thing. And the entire shoot was friends, I think you would have an amazing time.

I believe for both there are levels of exclusivity and polish.

I have been lucky enough to experience some very high end first class type non-hunting holiday experiences in Europe. Everyone of them has been at minimum very strong disappointment.

Both Spain and Britain can be very disappointing, at least in the UK you can speak the language.

The regular hunts in Europe have been very good, any time someone try to turn it into a luxury it always sucks.

I am on my 12th guided hunt in Europe for the since 2023, no disappointments, but none of them were that level of luxury.
 
I've shot driven pheasant in Scotland and it is an amazing experience. I was in Fife not far from St Andrews. I would absolutely go back. The challenge is finding a group you like to fill all the pegs. I did also shoot two days where I was an addition to a group just buying a peg and while the shooting was fun the whole experience was better going with a group I knew and having a dram at night discussing the day.
I recommend that !
 
I did the Temu version of the Spanish one as a beater when I lived there. The shooters were local doctors and lawyers, nothing that special. One of my military buds, was actually from the area around the Naval Station and his cousin was a game keeper on a big estate near Jerez.

Was in 2006, I think. None of this landed gentry kind of thing.

I would imagine the British version of that is just as upper crust, but would highly depend on the organizer and property.

I think the Scottish walked up days would be good, and I think I would prefer that. I don't know what I would have in common with people on the shoot. I would imagine that it is the Purdey and Rolls Royce crowd.

If you had a group of friends that is an entirely different thing. And the entire shoot was friends, I think you would have an amazing time.

I believe for both there are levels of exclusivity and polish.

I have been lucky enough to experience some very high end first class type non-hunting holiday experiences in Europe. Everyone of them has been at minimum very strong disappointment.

Both Spain and Britain can be very disappointing, at least in the UK you can speak the language.

The regular hunts in Europe have been very good, any time someone try to turn it into a luxury it always sucks.

I am on my 12th guided hunt in Europe for the since 2023, no disappointments, but none of them were that level of luxury.
What was disappointing about them? I've been to Spain a number of times and never had anything but a fantastic experience. My two favorite non-hunting trips were to Spain.
 
I was fortunate to grow up shooting driven pheasants and partridges in the UK from a young age and it still forms an important part of my season. Over the years, I’ve been lucky to add an annual trip to the moors for grouse to the calendar and, more recently, started sharing a day of snipe and woodcock shooting in Cornwall with friends.

For me, driven shooting is a more of a social activity rather than “hunting”. When I want solitude and the challenge of pitting my wits & skill against a wild animal, I pick up a rifle and go stalking for deer.

Driven shooting is about being part of a team of guns, beaters, flankers, stops, pickers-up, loaders, the old boy driving the game cart, the dogs, and the host of others from all backgrounds and walks of life that make the day what it is. It’s wiping your neighbour’s eye (killing a bird that he’s missed; even better if you can land it at his feet) and never letting him forget it, it’s sloe gin and sausages and scotch eggs and cigars at elevenses, it’s the smell of damp tweed and damp spaniels in the gun bus, it’s hearing the ‘keeper “encouraging” the beaters to keep in a straight line with language you haven’t heard since you left the military, it’s tipping your hat to a bird that comes through the line low and leaving one who will make a more sporting shot for your neighbour, it’s scrambling to find an ATM (a rare and vanishing thing in the UK these days) on the drive to the estate in the morning to get some cash so that you can do the weird handshake thing with the ‘keeper at the end of the day to show your appreciation. In short, it’s special and it’s weird but I wouldn’t change it for the world. And, if you ever get a chance to experience it, I’d encourage you to jump at it.

If you are looking for wild birds and more of a hunting experience but still with the social aspect and without selling a kidney to get on a commercial grouse moor, I can highly recommend driven woodcock and snipe shooting. It’s concentrated in the west of the UK from Scotland down to the tip of Cornwall. In January, I’ll be returning to the Arundell Arms on the Devon / Cornwall border with 8 friends for a weekend where we’ll be out from dawn until dusk and be lucky if we shoot one or two birds each. We’ll deliver the bag to the kitchen when we get back to the pub and they’ll turn them in to canapés that we’ll eat in an 18th century cock fighting pit while we clean our guns and drink room temperature beer. Special and weird in equal measure!

Happy to put anyone who’s keen in touch or else chat through what to expect / common pitfalls to avoid and so on.
 
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I was fortunate to grow up shooting driven pheasants and partridges in the UK from a young age and it still forms an important part of my season. Over the years, I’ve been lucky to add an annual trip to the moors for grouse to the calendar and, more recently, started sharing a day of snipe and woodcock shooting in Cornwall with friends.

For me, driven shooting is a more of a social activity rather than “hunting”. When I want solitude and the challenge of pitting my wits & skill against a wild animal, I pick up a rifle and go stalking for deer.

Driven shooting is about being part of a team of guns, beaters, flankers, stops, pickers-up, loaders, the old boy driving the guns bus, the dogs, and the host of others from all backgrounds and walks of life that make the day what it is. It’s wiping your neighbour’s eye (killing a bird that he’s missed; even better if you can land it at his feet) and never letting him forget it, it’s sloe gin and sausages and scotch eggs and cigars at elevenses, it’s the smell of damp tweed and damp spaniels in the gun bus, it’s hearing the ‘keeper “encouraging” the beaters to keep in a straight line with language you haven’t heard since you left the military, it’s tipping your hat to a bird that comes through the line low and leaving one who will make a more sporting shot for your neighbour, it’s scrambling to find an ATM (a rare and vanishing thing in the UK these days) on the drive to the estate in the morning to get some cash so that you can do the weird handshake thing with the ‘keeper at the end of the day to show your appreciation. In short, it’s special and it’s weird but I wouldn’t change it for the world. And, if you ever get a chance to experience it, I’d encourage you to jump at it.

If you are looking for wild birds and more of a hunting experience but still with the social aspect and without selling a kidney to get on a commercial grouse moor, I can highly recommend driven woodcock and snipe shooting. It’s concentrated in the west of the UK from Scotland down to the tip of Cornwall. In January, I’ll be returning to the Arundell Arms on the Devon / Cornwall border with 8 friends for a weekend where we’ll be out from dawn until dusk and be lucky if we shoot one or two birds each. We’ll deliver the bag to the kitchen when we get back to the pub and they’ll turn them in to canapés that we’ll eat in an 18th century cock fighting pit while we clean our guns and drink room temperature beer. Special and weird in equal measure!

Happy to put anyone who’s keen in touch or else chat through what to expect / common pitfalls to avoid and so on.
By the way, off topic but I think it’s the combination of the genuine hunting / pitting oneself against a wild animal and the social aspect of sundowners around the fire at the end of the day that appeals to me so much about hunting in Africa and why I immediately felt at home on my first (but definitely not my last) safari last year.
 
I grew up shooting Geese as high incomers. Didn't have any decoys so did a lot of fence line shooting. It's one of my favorite shots.

Geese can be tough because they are not necessarily going in the direction they are pointing. I’ve never seen another bird side slip as much as a goose. At least a pheasant is typically flying in the direction he is pointing.
 
Standing in a grouse butt waiting for the drive to start. The finest view in England!
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In January this year I invited a group of very close friends from Germany for 2 days end of season pheasant in Sussex. One day walked-up & one day mini-driven. We took our own dogs with us plus the Shoot dogs & beaters & stayed in a wonderful village inn. It was a lot of fun, tweeds & ties, wellies & Barbours, elevensees et cetera. Everyone had a few birds & everyone said that they would be on for doing it again uninvited. Simply great fun & something every shotgun enthusiast should do at least once!


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Spot on here. The high incomer that's screaming at you 50 yards up is a brutal target. I've yet to find a tower in my area to practice on. Headed to England Friday and will spend a day at Grimsthorpe Clays Grounds next week working on these driven targets. Unbelievably good fun if you're into clays / game shooting.
Absolutely loved my day at Grimsthorpe last week! Fantastic facility and wonderful people there. We spent the entire day on their high tower practicing on all types in high incoming birds. Going back for a proper lesson in mid-October.
 
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50 yard passing shots will leave a lot of tough pheasants flying off shot up. And standing in one spot shooting has no attraction for me. None. Never been into dove hunting here either. It's more shooting than hunting ... actually no hunting involved at all. Solo stalking pheasants behind a good dog can't be beat. I do waterfowl hunt over decoys (also solo) but there is some skill involved in coercing the birds into range. Waiting for a bunch of beaters to push birds overhead involves no skill ... or endurance. Anyway, if we had more jump shooting available here, my goose decoys would go in the bin at Salvation Army.
 
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50 yard passing shots will leave a lot of tough pheasants flying off shot up. And standing in one spot shooting has no attraction for me. None. Never been into dove hunting here either. It's more shooting than hunting ... actually no hunting involved at all. Solo stalking pheasants behind a good dog can't be beat. I do waterfowl hunt over decoys (also solo) but there is some skill involved in coercing the birds into range. Waiting for a bunch of beaters to push birds overhead involves no skill ... or endurance. Anyway, if we had more jump shooting available here, my goose decoys would go in the bin at Salvation Army.
That’s why you use appropriate cartridges such as 32 grams of 5 shot for tough end of season birds.

You can be a “walking gun” on a driven day too so you might walk up alongside a woodland and shoot birds flying back over the beaters. Often these are the wilier older pheasants making for quick and challenging shots, and can see woodcock too.
 
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50 yard passing shots will leave a lot of tough pheasants flying off shot up. And standing in one spot shooting has no attraction for me. None. Never been into dove hunting here either. It's more shooting than hunting ... actually no hunting involved at all. Solo stalking pheasants behind a good dog can't be beat. I do waterfowl hunt over decoys (also solo) but there is some skill involved in coercing the birds into range. Waiting for a bunch of beaters to push birds overhead involves no skill ... or endurance. Anyway, if we had more jump shooting available here, my goose decoys would go in the bin at Salvation Army.
To each their own.

As I mentioned in post #27, I’m the first to admit that, at least to me, shooting driven birds is primarily more of a social activity than a “hunt” but I will, however, politely and respectfully disagree with your opinion that shooting driven birds involves no skill. I’m thinking particularly of a fast, low grouse but a jinking snipe or woodcock or a curling pheasant with wings set are all not easy things to kill (and, more importantly, kill cleanly in a manner that is ethical, sporting and safe).

I also enjoy walked up birds, decoying pigeons and deer stalking so it’s not that I can’t or won’t “hunt”. Deer stalking solo is probably my greatest outdoor passion. But there’s still a place for a few driven days in my calendar every year.
 
I had a wonderful experience in 2022 with my family shooting driven partridges outfitted by Hunt Trip Spain. Outstanding service, great birds and beautiful scenery. I can highly recommend Francisco and Joelle Rosich, they run a first class outfit.
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The lodge
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The bag
 
We did a bit of Rough Shooting the following day that was great fun.
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50 yard passing shots will leave a lot of tough pheasants flying off shot up. And standing in one spot shooting has no attraction for me. None. Never been into dove hunting here either. It's more shooting than hunting ... actually no hunting involved at all. Solo stalking pheasants behind a good dog can't be beat. I do waterfowl hunt over decoys (also solo) but there is some skill involved in coercing the birds into range. Waiting for a bunch of beaters to push birds overhead involves no skill ... or endurance. Anyway, if we had more jump shooting available here, my goose decoys would go in the bin at Salvation Army.
Waterfowl hunting with friends is some of the best fun a guy can have?
 
I hate yo be yhe idiot but you all are used to my stupid questions - just how exp2nsive are these shoots?
 

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