9.3x62 Assortment

Nooooo!!!! Not that kinda love, Bruh... That creepy old fuc..... Nevermind! I still love yuns!

I’ve not been a member of this respected forum as long as others but at the end of the day, legitimacy to the dispute or not this should have been handled privately. Regardless of our initial feelings when we feel wronged, it’s our duty as adults to sit on those feelings and determine if we are responding out of emotion or having sat with it and thought logically.

I can say from personal experience here that having been in a similar situation, instead of going to the forums, I sat in it for a few days and then spoke with the gentlemen involved. At this point, I have no hard feelings about the situation or the member involved and quite frankly still like the guy and respect him.

This is not said or directed to anyone person(s) here in this thread but I think each situation in retrospect has something each member of the party can learn from and take away to apply in the future.

I hope everyone the best here and hope it’s something that doesn’t ruin a relationship and can be moved on from. This is a good place with good folks and I don’t think any dollar amount is worth tarnishing these relationships.

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Jake

I really appreciate you forgiving me, Jake. I was in the wrong, and I appreciate it.

Hedge774 said:

I really appreciate you forgiving me, Jake. I was in the wrong, and I appreciate it.

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Buddy don’t even worry about it. Just don’t forget I still need that box of A-Frames

buckstix said:

REALLY? .... I GOT THIS POST FROM HIM VIA A DM ... SO I ASSUMED I HAD PURCHASED THE LOT.

"tblom .. .. my phone number is 218-348-xxx. feel free to reach out for payment.."

I WILL MOVE ON NOW ...

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This bit I found confusing, and prima facie relevant to buckstix's story.
If tblom had an SPF arrangement already, then why that DM?

I once had a table at a very large gun show, and a few tables down was an M1941 Johnson rifle in original status and at least 90% condition. I'd always wanted one for my battle rifle collection. Price was $3100 (this was 20+ years ago). I agreed to that, and asked him to hold it for 30 minutes while I collected the cash from a transaction in another building. He agreed, and off I went.

I returned in about 20 minutes (i.e., I wasn't late) with the $3100 cash, only to see a guy shelling out money for the Johnson. "Hold on there, he was holding that rifle for me!" I exclaimed. The seller replied, "Well, this guy offered me $100 more, and you weren't back yet." (The interloping buyer feigned a "I don't want to get in the middle of your deal ", but that's exactly what he did by having offered the seller a $100 premium over tag price.) The seller nonetheless sold the Johnson to him for $3200 right in front of me.

I made a big damned stink about it, right there. "So, that's the price of your honor, $100? And in front of your son? Training him to be a deal breaking scumbag like his father? " He wouldn't budge. So, for the rest of that Saturday afternoon, whenever I walked past him I muttered imprecations with a quiet rage I hadn't felt in years. I think it spooked him because he packed up that night and didn't exhibit his two tables on Sunday.

Sunday, I'm still 92.61% as pissed as I was the day before. I'm walking around, still stewing. Well, in another building was a table, and on it was that same M1941 Johnson! And the same guy who'd sniped it from me was behind the table. By then yesterday's drama was pretty well known throughout the show, and the buyer had learned who I was as the author of "Boston's Gun Bible" (which was very popular back then). I think folks had given him some mild hell behind the scenes, as he confessed to feeling bad about it all. Although he didn't sell the Johnson to me at his cost, I did manage to buy it for a price tag I'd have still paid the day before. I hated to pay him any premium, but I did go home with the rifle.

Somebody later tried to lecture me about the business rule of Offer/Acceptance/Consideration, and how I'd missed out on the rifle because I didn't put down a deposit. I replied that the seller didn't ask for one to hold it for a half-hour, and two, a scumbag like that seller would have reneged on a deposit as well, while an honorable seller would have kept his Acceptance word without a deposit (I have done exactly that many times at shows as a seller).

MORAL: I more regularly pay a deposit and get a receipt for ____ item at $___ price being held until _____. While it won't protect you from the worst of welshers, but it's something in a world that rarely honors handshake deals any more.

Regarding this thread's incident, I think the seller should have at once posted SPF, and the AH rules specifically ask one to do so. Also, I think he should have more clearly communicated with @buckstix (either publicly, or in DMs). His "Sorry, selling as a package" reply (two hours after the early buyer's DM) to thread questions implied that the goods were still available. Regarding @buckstix's level of expressed disappointment, I can easily empathize with him given my Johnson rifle story.

@tblom is a newer member than @buckstix, and as far as I can tell uses AH only to sell stuff. He would be wise to refine his technique here.

A forum SPF post is similar to Offer/Acceptance while waiting on Consideration. It's a form of handshake deal, and we all should try to protect that here. Timely and clear communication is vital to avoid misunderstandings and hard feelings.

@tblom is a 2025 member, and the only posts I've seen of his are as a seller.

He also advertises his goods simultaneously elsewhere (which is his right, though it might be nice to consistently inform us on AH of that). For the three items he's listed for sale here, some were sold off campus. Meaning, anybody's "I'll take it! " risks competing with unknown others "elsewhere".

I don't see him using the SPF (Sold Pending Funds) avenue, but declaring an item as Sold only after he has actually been paid. Hence, as it seems to me, not honoring "I'll take it! " here via SPF. I personally would not feel comfortable dealing with that kind of protocol.

FYI...FWIW.

375 Ruger Fan said:

I have no dog in this fight, but I will add my 2 cents worth of opinion.

The seller first posted at 9:06am and received a PM from a buyer at 9:40am saying they will take it all. At this point, the seller should have posted "SPF".

At 1:30 pm, a member posted an offer for part of the package. At 1:37pm, the seller replied "No, selling everything together." There was no mention of "SPF." To the casual reader, it would appear the items are still available.

At 1:38pm, another member posted an offer for part of the package. At 1:43pm, the seller replied "No, selling everything together." There was no mention of "SPF." Once again, it appears the items are still available.

The seller's failure to post "SPF" is what created this mess.

@buckstix posted at 1:47pm, "PM sent, I will take all."

I don't personally know any of the participants in this thread, but believe they are all honorable AH members. People that have made comments and criticisms toward @buckstix should re-examine the timeline.

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Great synopsis, thanks. Apparently, to @tblom "Sold" means only when he's been paid. I've not seen an example of him honoring an AH poster's "I'll take it! " and reply posting with SPF. He has his own style, but most of us on AH have another. That was part of this sale's problem regarding @buckstix.

Noah Hutchens said:

I said I guaranteed he would’ve posted “sold”when it ACTUALLY sold because he did that very thing in one of his previous listings selling brass. He posted it for sale, it sold, and the same day he commented “Sold”……..

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That's, uh, not quite the issue. Here on AH, we operate on Offer/Acceptance to hold an item and begin a queue, with the seller posting SPF.

@tblom (at least in this thread) chose to entertain other prospective buyers for hours while waiting on payment from his 0940 buyer. Was that not disingenuous?

at the small gun shows i set up at (4-5) a year, i have held items for the i,ll be back crowd. that never made it back, causing me to hold it and losing a sale. after i told the hold it for me buyers for a non returnable deposit if no show later, that fixed the problem. i know thats not what happened here. but why the anger over 130.00 worth of reloading items. to help you get over the butt hurt, i,ll be glad to send you some new ppu 9.3x62 brass for free, just pay postage.

leslie hetrick said:

after i told the hold it for me buyers for a non returnable deposit if no show later, that fixed the problem.

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Yep, I did the same. Rarely will I hold an item without deposit any more, unless I know him.

leslie hetrick said:

why the anger over 130.00 worth of reloading items.

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It's not the $130 it's the principle, i.e., the lack of courtesy by this seller who seems to use AH solely as a Craig's List and puts buyers in a race for who transfers money first. Three of his older sales had a "Sold, pending receipt of funds" but not this one and others.

The "cherry on top" was that he replied to other prospective buyers over hours while waiting on payment from his 0940 buyer. Clearly he didn't want to discourage them with an SPF which may not have been fulfilled. Keep others "on the hook" like that ain't cool.

Had it happened to you, your tune may have been different.

I'd have stayed out of this if some of you hadn't dogpiled on @buckstix as a "whiner".

BTP-KennethWRoyce said:

Yep, I did the same. Rarely will I hold an item without deposit any more, unless I know him.


It's not the $130 it's the principle, i.e., the lack of courtesy by this seller who seems to use AH solely as a Craig's List and puts buyers in a race for who transfers money first. Three of his older sales had a "Sold, pending receipt of funds" but not this one and others.

The "cherry on top" was that he replied to other prospective buyers over hours while waiting on payment from his 0940 buyer. Clearly he didn't want to discourage them with an SPF which may not have been fulfilled. Keep others "on the hook" like that ain't cool.

Had it happened to you, your tune may have been different.

I'd have stayed out of this if some of you hadn't dogpiled on @buckstix as a "whiner".

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i have had that happen to me over the years and for loseing items worth more than 130.00, i elected to move on. you win some and you lose some, but the sun will will still come up in the morning.

leslie hetrick said:

i have had that happen to me over the years and for loseing items worth more than 130.00, i elected to move on. you win some and you lose some, but the sun will will still come up in the morning.

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Good for you; that's the best approach, and @buckstix himself has moved on, explicitly. I thought he was treated shabbily, so I stuck up for him.

The seller seems to be off-loading misc. estate sale purchases, and hasn't posted a single hunting photo or story. AH is his "Craig's List". FYI, good day.

Albatross

Good grief, I just learned that in addition to ignoring a unhelpful member. You can also unwatch a string that you were initially interested in, but that has become redundant, and has devolved into team so and so versus team so and so.

LESSON LEARNED, I personally will try to be better at updating posts and I will make every effort to post a "SPF" as soon as the item sells.

Ray H

tblom said:

The other gentleman replied via PM as he is travelling today and did not post on the listing directly.

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If he could logon to AH and PM you, then he could have posted "I'll take all " in this thread, right?
Meanwhile, you answered buyer questions here as if you hadn't been waiting on his funds.
No wonder if the whole thing came across as sketchy to some.

teklanika_ray said:

Also, I don't buy the use of capitalization as a crutch for diabetes. You have posted in the past without being on full caps. A gentleman would simply admit his error and apologize!

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I've looked at some of @buchstix's previous posts, and many of them WERE in caps (with health/age explanation).

You could have confirmed that yourself, before you fatuously called the man a liar.

Whew wee, time to dig a mud pit. Let these boys jump in an wrasle. Last one still in the pit at the end of 10 minutes wins. In the event of a tie, well they have to square off with the micro (can’t say midget anymore) wrestlers.

i,d be glad it was not a scam artist, then no items and out 130.00. some thing to think about.

Bandera said:

Whew wee, time to dig a mud pit. Let these boys jump in an wrasle. Last one still in the pit at the end of 10 minutes wins. In the event of a tie, well they have to square off with the micro (can’t say midget anymore) wrestlers.

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Heh, a fine notion but those who gratuitously insulted an infirm 75 y/o gentleman with moral rectitude wouldn't show up for a mud pit wrassle, anyway.