Custom Double Rifle Must Have Features? Opinions Needed

Congratulations! Tell me the secret! Two months from a fairly limited budget for a Merkel to sending deposits on 2 custom double rifles.

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Well…. Two year wait for me to save before I have to fully pay it off helps a lot, but also my beautiful and amazing Wife is now more open and into the idea of expensive Safari guns lol. Also, when I receive the rifles I will be selling the Merkel to offset some of the cost. I will admit I have an obsessive personality so when I set my mind to something I like to go as big as possible, that being said my only two vices are Guns and my Garden, my wife is just happy it’s not something worse LOL.
 
first time hearing can u elaborate?
In my own personal case with having receiver mounted peep sights on two rifle that have express sights also mounted on the barrel, I never use the express sights. The receiver mounted peep is much quicker to acquire a sight picture and more accurate in my experience than a deeply cut v express sight. But I wouldn’t have Safari rifle, especially a double rifle made without express sights it would look incredibly unfinished. This gentleman wants to have a pop up ghost ring/ peep sight added to his double rifle along with having the rib milled for optics. So with all that going on it seems like the express sight is there for looks.
 
. So with all that going on it seems like the express sight is there for looks.
I’m referring specifically to big-bore doubles, not bolt guns. In a fast, close DG charge, IMO there’s still no substitute for good iron sights. Red dots have their advantages, especially in low light or with aging eyes, but irons absolutely still have a place on a double. To me, a double without iron sights is almost a misnomer.
 
I’m referring specifically to big-bore doubles, not bolt guns. In a fast, close DG charge, IMO there’s still no substitute for good iron sights. Red dots have their advantages, especially in low light or with aging eyes, but irons absolutely still have a place on a double. To me, a double without iron sights is almost a misnomer.
Agree 100% .
 
I’m referring specifically to big-bore doubles, not bolt guns. In a fast, close DG charge, IMO there’s still no substitute for good iron sights. Red dots have their advantages, especially in low light or with aging eyes, but irons absolutely still have a place on a double. To me, a double without iron sights is almost a misnomer.
I agree with you entirely. This gentleman specifically said that he was considering having a flip up ghost ring sight added to his double rifle. To me a ghost ring sight is a much more accurate and quicker sight. You just have to focus on the front sight. Others might prefer something else, but a double without express sights would look weird.
 
@SStomcat i don’t believe @Tdsmith517 was saying that express sights are only for looks, i think he was referring to my specs i mentioned. Since I will be having a ghost ring plus the option of scope mounts/red dot he was saying on my particular rifle the express sights will just be there for looks since I won’t be using them the vast majority of the time if at all. I agree with him that the rifle without them would look weird, I just don’t see myself using them since I shoot an aperture style sight much better than the V notches. I believe it just comes down to whichever one is more familiar or has more practice with for which is better.
 
Out of curiosity on the QD scope decision I need to make. would any of yall consider the substantial higher cost of fitted claw mounts worth it over just standard QD Talley rings?

I’m spending money to get the best rifle I can afford so I’m not totally opposed to going the extra mile on the claw mounts but from a few threads I have read people seem to have really good luck with the Talley Rings going back to zero. I’m just not sure if the Talley rings are just as good as the claw style mounts, or if the claw mounts are just a more bespoke/unique option that isn’t necessarily better functionality wise.
 
I’m referring specifically to big-bore doubles, not bolt guns. In a fast, close DG charge, IMO there’s still no substitute for good iron sights. Red dots have their advantages, especially in low light or with aging eyes, but irons absolutely still have a place on a double. To me, a double without iron sights is almost a misnomer.
The US Army and SOF do not use iron sights on their combat weapons. Frankly, we haven't since the First World War. Ghost rings, or whatever terminology one prefers, are far superior for close combat. Red dots of various types are an improvement over the ghost ring. Again, those are not opinions, but the result of decades of combat experience - much at close range. With respect to engagement time, combat is measured in fractions of a second.

I do not own a Bradshaw double, but I do own one of his magnificently accurate singles - a 7x65R. He builds wonderfully accurate rifles. Were the double mine, I would have a clear front sight and flip up ghost ring. In Talley mounts, I would have a Swaro Z8i which a .75 or 1x is the same as a red dot, and which would give me up to 8x for a longer shot.

Simple.

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The US Army and SOF do not use iron sights on their combat weapons. Frankly, we haven't since the First World War. Ghost rings, or whatever terminology one prefers, are far superior for close combat. Red dots of various types are an improvement over the ghost ring. Again, those are not opinions, but the result of decades of combat experience - much at close range. With respect to engagement time, combat is measured in fractions of a second.

I do not own a Bradshaw double, but I do own one of his magnificently accurate singles - a 7x65R. He builds wonderfully accurate rifles. Were the double mine, I would have a clear front sight and flip up ghost ring. In Talley mounts, I would have a Swaro Z8i which a .75 or 1x is the same as a red dot, and which would give me up to 8x for a longer shot.

Simple.

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Thank you! Beautiful rifle! Do you think the Talley QD scope rings are suitable for a heavy recoiling rifle? I’ve not owned a rifle with QD rings other than drilling that had claw mounts, which obviously wasn’t a large bore heavy recoiling.

I’ve talked Baileys ear off since I sent my deposit about different possibles so I am turning to this forum to get some more advice to give him a break lol….
 
Thank you! Beautiful rifle! Do you think the Talley QD scope rings are suitable for a heavy recoiling rifle? I’ve not owned a rifle with QD rings other than drilling that had claw mounts, which obviously wasn’t a large bore heavy recoiling.

I’ve talked Baileys ear off since I sent my deposit about different possibles so I am turning to this forum to get some more advice to give him a break lol….
I have used Talley QDs on my .470, .404, .500/416 and all my .375's except Blasers with zero issues for 25 years.
 
The US Army and SOF do not use iron sights on their combat weapons. Frankly, we haven't since the First World War. Ghost rings, or whatever terminology one prefers, are far superior for close combat. Red dots of various types are an improvement over the ghost ring. Again, those are not opinions, but the result of decades of combat experience - much at close range. With respect to engagement time, combat is measured in fractions of a second.

I do not own a Bradshaw double, but I do own one of his magnificently accurate singles - a 7x65R. He builds wonderfully accurate rifles. Were the double mine, I would have a clear front sight and flip up ghost ring. In Talley mounts, I would have a Swaro Z8i which a .75 or 1x is the same as a red dot, and which would give me up to 8x for a longer shot.

Simple.
I have no combat experience so I can’t talk of close encounter situations of what works and what does not.
I feel there is a difference between a bolt/automatic combat weapon of some sort and hunting double rifle which I’m referring to. Apples to oranges.

Secondly I don’t think this topic can be considered in terms of good bad or evil ultimately it comes down to personal preference
 
I have no combat experience so I can’t talk of close encounter situations of what works and what does not.
I feel there is a difference between a bolt/automatic combat weapon of some sort and hunting double rifle which I’m referring to. Apples to oranges.

Secondly I don’t think this topic can be considered in terms of good bad or evil ultimately it comes down to personal preference
No, it is absolutely apples to apples, and I base that on experience with both. The goal is to get a sight picture quickly and accurately of a target in a fast moving relatively close quarters engagement. Buffalo or human - M4 or Westley Richards - the requirement is exactly the same. Ghost rings, like scopes. are not employed on most doubles because they are not traditional, or perhaps "proper," on such a rifle - not because they aren't superior.

It is interesting that over the last decade or so red dots of various forms have become very acceptable on doubles as experienced shooters have learned the value of a single aim point using modern tech - the same exact attribute of the ghost ring of the mid-twentieth century.
 
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There are ghost rings and there are ghost rings.

I shot open sights competitively for years, with “peep” sights. They were quite small in aperture, not fast and actually focused the light to increase acuity at stationary targets. They can be surprisingly accurate. That’s a little “apples to oranges”.

Open that aperture quite a bit and reduce the outer ring on a well fitting rifle, and that sight can be quite fast indeed. The size of that aperture opening is somewhat analogous to scope magnification. It also obscures the target by only a narrow post, not the bottom half of the target the way an express sight does. Light and shadow are more difficult on an express sight the way you only see the top half.

Express sights on a double are certainly traditional, and quite durable. The little flip up blades allow you to adjust for range quickly on a bullet with an arcing trajectory, but I doubt those sights are really useful past the first leaf, and certainly useless at roughly 400 yards with the last leaf. I’ve often wondered if those extreme open sight range leafs were intended to market a perception of quality.
 
I have no combat experience so I can’t talk of close encounter situations of what works and what does not.
I feel there is a difference between a bolt/automatic combat weapon of some sort and hunting double rifle which I’m referring to. Apples to oranges.

Secondly I don’t think this topic can be considered in terms of good bad or evil ultimately it comes down to personal preference

No, it is absolutely apples to apples, and I base that on experience with both. The goal is to get a sight picture quickly and accurately of a target in a fast moving relatively close quarters engagement. Buffalo or human - M4 or Westley Richards - the requirement is exactly the same. Ghost rings, like scopes. are not employed on most doubles because they are not traditional, or perhaps "proper," on such a rifle - not because they aren't superior.
That’s exactly my point, Sir, and that’s why you don’t see them on the majority of double rifles. Ultimately, aesthetics also come into play.

I’ve yet to come across a PH using a peep sight on a double rifle. I have, however, seen a few PHs using red dots, although they’re still very much in the minority.
 
Well, what I would absolutely NOT have on an express rifle is an automatic safety!! And not a bolted one for sure. I don't have a death wish.
 
I'd never heard of them until now. I am curious at how well they reload in a hurry given the elevator versus break design.
 
I agree with Red Leg, there is no comparison between a red dot and irons. A red dot that is properly sighted in can be shot much quicker and from any position even with a questionable cheek weld. If the dot is in something that is where the bullet is going.
 

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