Beretta just bought 30 perent of Ruger stock so now they will take over Ruger

I Beretta does a good job when they take over Ruger .I hope the Ruger 77 comes back in full production not just limited runs .Ruger lost me when they tried to replace the ruger 77 with the cheaper ruger american which I never liked .I hope they bring back the Ruger 1 also .I hate to see Ruger taken over this way being an American company thats been around a while .

dgr416 said:

I Beretta does a good job when they take over Ruger .I hope the Ruger 77 comes back in full production not just limited runs .Ruger lost me when they tried to replace the ruger 77 with the cheaper ruger american which I never liked .I hope they bring back the Ruger 1 also .I hate to see Ruger taken over this way being an American company thats been around a while .

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Beretta owns a 9.7 percent stake in Ruger now and will be 30 percent if Ruger’s shareholders approve Beretta’s offer.

dgr416 said:

I Beretta does a good job when they take over Ruger .I hope the Ruger 77 comes back in full production not just limited runs .Ruger lost me when they tried to replace the ruger 77 with the cheaper ruger american which I never liked .I hope they bring back the Ruger 1 also .I hate to see Ruger taken over this way being an American company thats been around a while .

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Not quite accurate on the 30%.

This is the partial email I received from Ruger yesterday.

The shareholders would need to approve a poison pill exception, before a tender could be made.

I hope they bring back the 77. I hope they bring back the No. 1. And I hope they do it with the same overbuilt, American-made, heirloom-quality philosophy that made those guns great. But I’m not holding my breath. I’ve seen too many brands get bought and hollowed out to be optimistic without seeing results first.

If Beretta pulls this off right, they could have something special. If they screw it up, they’ll have a lot of angry gun owners to deal with and we’re a vocal bunch.

Beretta seems to be gobbling up many of the world’s gunmakers. It is never a good thing when one company can control the market. I am a Ruger shareholder and will vote no.

I am also a Ruger share holder.
However change is not always a bad thing.
A Beretta take over may not be such a bad thing. Beretta seems to improve most every firearms company they purchase. Chapius, Uberti, Stoeger,Benelli, Sako, Tikka, Franchi, and Holland & Holland. For many of the companies Beretta was able to give them access to Berettas distribution network.

Ruger has been in a bit of disarray for a while. They have not been able to fill orders for distributors. This extends from the 10-22, Vaqueros, Some models of 77, Gp100’s, AR15’s and others.
From a conversation, it is my understanding that the AR15 production plant has machines still in the shipping crates.
Then Beretta started buying stock and that has most likely also distracted management.
One of the recently retired VP’s that I know, spent the last 2 years traveling and hunting. This was under the guise of product development and marketing.

I am not entirely convinced that Rugers lean manufacturing model has not contributed to some of the inability to fill orders. Lean manufacturing sounds great until a batch of parts fail, then your fooked.

I personally think Ruger should have remained privately held.
No shareholders yapping about profits, new products etc. Just do what they do make a solid working man’s rifle.

I thibk we shoukd write our representatives about how foriegn interests taking over american weapons manufacturers is a direct threat to national security and needs be stopped is in order.

farmer_john said:

I thibk we shoukd write our representatives about how foriegn interests taking over american weapons manufacturers is a direct threat to national security and needs be stopped is in order.

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Unfortunately this has been going on since about 1981 with FN and its subsidiary FN America, still foreign owned.
FN makes the:
M240 for all branches
M249 SAW.
MK,14,20,46 & 48.

Also Colt is owned by CZ.

Bandera said:

Unfortunately this has been going on since about 1981 with FN and its subsidiary FN America, still foreign owned.
FN makes the:
M240 for all branches
M249 SAW.
MK,14,20,46 & 48.

Also Colt is owned by CZ.

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Im aware. But its still a liability

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I live in Europe & of my rifles I own 1 Ruger in 8x75R & I think it is a great rifle which I enjoy hunting with. I would likely own more if you could easily get them in Europe.

IMO Ruger is a small bespoke company focusing on the US market in a time of globalisation. I do not own any stock in the company & nor would I want to given that the stock has struggled over the past 5 years declining over 30 % and generating a dividend of below 2 %. Lot of better stocks to invest in. Yes the share has picked up this year but that is solely based on spec & not management success.

Beretta on the other hand is an excellent performing business & has boosted sales of Tikka & Sako plus a lot more businesses they have taken over. Should Beretta float at some point down the line that is something I would look at.

Who knows maybe we Europeans will be able to buy Rugers off the shelves in the years ahead. I for one would welcome that!

My 2 cents worth.

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Charlie64 said:

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I live in Europe & of my rifles I own 1 Ruger in 8x75R & I think it is a great rifle which I enjoy hunting with. I would likely own more if you could easily get them in Europe.

IMO Ruger is a small bespoke company focusing on the US market in a time of globalisation. I do not own any stock in the company & nor would I want to given that the stock has struggled over the past 5 years declining over 30 % and generating a dividend of below 2 %. Lot of better stocks to invest in. Yes the share has picked up this year but that is solely based on spec & not management success.

Beretta on the other hand is an excellent performing business & has boosted sales of Tikka & Sako plus a lot more businesses they have taken over. Should Beretta float at some point down the line that is something I would look at.

Who knows maybe we Europeans will be able to buy Rugers off the shelves in the years ahead. I for one would welcome that!

My 2 cents worth.

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I dont have issue with beretta they do good.

And I feel rugers quality has slipped in recent years.

But i dont like foriegn interests having their fingers in domestic manufacturing. And large corps trend to strip american arms makers to nothing.

Ruger stock is dead money. Shares have done nothing but decline for years, and today they announced a new CFO. I'm all for anyone who likes guns, and has the interest and financial wherewithal to roll up these usually poorly run companies into a more stable corporate structure. Like most everyone, we had a 10/22 when I was a kid. I bought my son one and we had to do a bunch of work on it because the rifle barely functioned out of the box.

Rimbaud said:

Ruger stock is dead money. Shares have done nothing but decline for years, and today they announced a new CFO. I'm all for anyone who likes guns, and has the interest and financial wherewithal to roll up these usually poorly run companies into a more stable corporate structure. Like most everyone, we had a 10/22 when I was a kid. I bought my son one and we had to do a bunch of work on it because the rifle barely functioned out of the box.

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I think the focus needs to be
1 quality
2 efficient production

Vs making more cheaper and cost cutting

I don’t know? But I would much rather see a premier firearms company like Beretta invest in Ruger than a hedge fund or equity asset management firm that would drive Ruger’s business and products into the ground. Think Vista Outdoors and their decimation of Remington, Marlin, Barnes, Federal, Alliant, CCI, etc., etc., etc. Fortunately, a Czech company bought Federal and maybe Alliant and CCI too. Ruger bought Marlin and Sierra bought Barnes all through the bankruptcy proceedings. Tough market out there for US firearms and ammunition makers it would seem, so Beretta wouldn’t be such a bad choice given the alternatives.

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I think the focus needs to be
1 quality
2 efficient production

Vs making more cheaper and cost cutting

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I would be surprised if that is Beretta's playbook. The firearms business is a small part of the family's business operations, which means that they are not so dependent on the usual fear marketing gun companies use to move firearms. They are also a lot smarter, in my view, than most other gun companies. For instance, when they bought H&H, I understand that they sold the London building, which paid for the acquisition. Beretta seems to be doing what so many others have tried to do - buy up good gun companies, and invest in the product and control a huge swath of the market.

Rimbaud said:

I would be surprised if that is Beretta's playbook. The firearms business is a small part of the family's business operations, which means that they are not so dependent on the usual fear marketing gun companies use to move firearms. They are also a lot smarter, in my view, than most other gun companies. For instance, when they bought H&H, I understand that they sold the London building, which paid for the acquisition. Beretta seems to be doing what so many others have tried to do - buy up good gun companies, and invest in the product and control a huge swath of the market.

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Not saying i think berretta will do a bad job. I just think from a national standpoint some industries should not have any foriegn acess. Same with us real estate and resources.

I'm not sure Beretta taking over Holland & Holland was a good thing..

Alot of legacy companies fsil due to trying to compete with cheaper bs.
And shit marketing

Rigby isnt suceeding because blaser bout them. There doing great because there selling you an experience not a gun

Just like harley davidson model.