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@tinktink12 Thank you for the site. It had a rendering of the Lady Hunter and from it I was able to determine the scale and the measurements of several points of the rifle and compare them the the rifle that I previously posted. From the comb forward the Lady Hunter is larger in every measurement. The heel is slightly higher and the comb slopes forward in the California style. The one change that wasn't addressed on the website was possible cast-off with the toe. It does not appear to me that this is so much a rifle designed by & for women as it is a rifle designed for people of smaller stature without regard of sex. I consider the reason that it is desired is that other makers, including Savage have addressed only Length of Pull and weight when building rifles for youth and smaller adults. As both the Lady Hunter and my rifle show, to fit people of smaller stature the measurements of the entire rifle need to be addressed.
 
Ray B said:
The site is: https://savagearms.com/firearms/sku/19657
Under price it clearly says: Out of Production
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Savage is sending me my new Lady Hunter today in fact so I know they are not out of production. I think the issue is the old ones were built on either an 11 or 111 action and the new ones are being built on a 110 action. At least my new one is being built on a 110 action.
 
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I think the issue is the old ones were built on either an 11 or 111 action and the new ones are being built on a 110 action.
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The website shows the Out of Production model is 11/111. At some point Savage should update their website to show the current production model. :<) :<)
 
Ray B said:
@tinktink12 Thank you for the site. It had a rendering of the Lady Hunter and from it I was able to determine the scale and the measurements of several points of the rifle and compare them the the rifle that I previously posted. From the comb forward the Lady Hunter is larger in every measurement. The heel is slightly higher and the comb slopes forward in the California style. The one change that wasn't addressed on the website was possible cast-off with the toe. It does not appear to me that this is so much a rifle designed by & for women as it is a rifle designed for people of smaller stature without regard of sex. I consider the reason that it is desired is that other makers, including Savage have addressed only Length of Pull and weight when building rifles for youth and smaller adults. As both the Lady Hunter and my rifle show, to fit people of smaller stature the measurements of the entire rifle need to be addressed.
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Actually, Savage heard from women that were getting tired of men assuming guns built for teenage boys were the ticket, and decided to ask industry women where other manufacturers were missing the mark. They quickly realized most women's proportions were not a match to smaller men and boys. There have been several articles written by the women involved. So yes, it was designed by a team of women, and was well documented.

They made over 200 documented changes, from the 10/110. At one point they considered making it friendly to smaller stature shooters, and quickly realized ALL the changes they made to the balance, proportions, etc were entirely incongruous.

As always, the most important thing Savage relearned was men are arrogant and assume what women want, and are comfortable with, and are always wrong ;-)

I've zero doubt your heart was in the right place, trying to make a rifle friendly in that way. None at all. It takes work, and you obviously did it. But man, when everyone tells you your drunk, it's time to lay down. All of us that have handled it, basically said the same thing. That gun is different, the second you hold it up. It's like you can't comprehend a liquid being dry until you have a shot of vermouth, and feel the moisture sucked out of existence in your mouth.

Incidentally, some of the Lady Hunter technology made it into the later wood stocked Lightweight Hunter, which is very small frame friendly.
 
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akrifleman said:
Actually, Savage heard from women that were getting tired of men assuming guns built for teenage boys were the ticket, and decided to ask industry women where other manufacturers were missing the mark. They quickly realized most women's proportions were not a match to smaller men and boys. There have been several articles written by the women involved. So yes, it was designed by a team of women, and was well documented.

They made over 200 documented changes, from the 10/110. At one point they considered making it friendly to smaller stature shooters, and quickly realized ALL the changes they made to the balance, proportions, etc were entirely incongruous.

As always, the most important thing Savage relearned was men are arrogant and assume what women want, and are comfortable with, and are always wrong ;-)

I've zero doubt your heart was in the right place, trying to make a rifle friendly in that way. None at all. It takes work, and you obviously did it. But man, when everyone tells you your drunk, it's time to lay down. All of us that have handled it, basically said the same thing. That gun is different, the second you hold it up. It's like you can't comprehend a liquid being dry until you have a shot of vermouth, and feel the moisture sucked out of existence in your mouth.

Incidentally, some of the Lady Hunter technology made it into the later wood stocked Lightweight Hunter, which is very small frame friendly.
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Very well put! I agree that a lot of men think they know what is better for women than a women does. In reality, it actually chases women away from hunting because the caliber is too much or the gun does not fit. In both cases the recoil is a big deterrent and they just give up. I have seen this happen.
 
tinktink12 said:
Very well put! I agree that a lot of men think they know what is better for women than a women does. In reality, it actually chases women away from hunting because the caliber is too much or the gun does not fit. In both cases the recoil is a big deterrent and they just give up. I have seen this happen.
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Besides my wife, who after 35 years has beaten a few things into my brain housing group, I've owned so, so many industry guns. But Brothers and Sisters, when you finally get that bespoke gun, or infinitely adjustable comp gun that really truly fits, the lightbulb goes off. Recoil means absolutely nothing, when fit and finish matches your body. When a women says a gun is cute, or fits well... don't be the idiot. They are communicating something important. God knows how long it took me to understand. Now I have a partner, who will absolutely kill the shit out of anything. I just needed to learn to listen
 
Maybe a 6.5 PRC shorter 22 inch barrel threaded for suppressor.
270 also a good versatile caliber . It’s really the bullet you put in it that matters just as much.
 
I see something as funny so I'm a stubborn old an- talk about projection!! I'm not the one who refuses to provide the differences in measurements between your Lady designed stocks and those that I have provided. I suspect that the reason is that there is very little difference between the two so the only real difference is tht one is claimed to be designed by and for women but in actuality- there is no difference. But fi you like something, fine go with it- just don't try to tell someone that it is materially different.
 

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Savage Lady Hunter

A number of companies have trimmed the stock of a hunting rifle and called it a "women's" gun—but Savage Arms set out to design a rifle that was truly designed for female hunters and shooters. The company listened to what women had to say, and used that feedback to help create the Model 11/111...
www.americanhunter.org www.americanhunter.org

A bit of a basic review but wasn’t hard to find
Gumpy
 
Some people don't seem to know the difference between a general statement and a specific measurement- for example Comparison summary: Grip size Standard circumference versus Thinned/Slimmed. Those are generalities not specific measurements. i provided specifics measurements and requested same. As can be seen, I got no measurements but did get a lot of name calling and questions of character. As noted previously people should spend their money on what they like and if someone likes the label "Lady's rifle" fine- but don't expect their to be any measurable differences between it and other designs that may not have the word Lady in the title.
 
After I just received my new 111 Lady Hunter last week in 30-06, I called the custom shop to see why it says discontinued on the website. Sadly, they have discontinued the general production of the Lady Hunter but if you want one they will make it in the custom shop to the caliber, barrel length etc. you desire.
 
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For all those wanting to get your wife a Savage Lady Hunter here is the scope. I talked to Effie at the custom shop. They are taking it out of general production thus the “discontinued” on the website. However, you can still special order it in any caliber. I suggested that she amend the website to say “special order only” rather than discontinued. She liked that and is going to talk to marketing. That way people know they can still get it. I am hoping if enough people keep ordering they will bring it back!
 
For all those wanting to get your wife a Savage Lady Hunter here is the scoop. I talked to Effie at the custom shop. They are taking it out of general production thus the “discontinued” on the website. However, you can still special order it in any caliber. I suggested that she amend the website to say “special order only” rather than discontinued. She liked that and is going to talk to marketing. That way people know they can still get it. I am hoping if enough people keep ordering they will bring it back!
 
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