Scopes Are Great… But Iron Sights Feel Right

I am personally quite fortunate in that I don’t need spectacles even as I near 75. Hopefully, it will stay this way. But one can never be too careful.

I personally am a big fan of hunting with iron sights. In the mangrove forests where I grew up hunting Axis deer (and where I would go on to shoot three man eating Royal Bengal tigers), vegetation is extremely dense and game animals mostly present themselves at ranges under 70 yards (with the vast majority of shots being taken under 50 yards and often as less as 30). Shots taken must be quick and instinctive. In those kinds of forests, a telescopic sight would do you no good. Wide V backsights and an uncovered ivory bead foresight are the best setup, since they are quick for the eye to line up & instinctively shoot.

I also prefer the same setup for driven hunts since I personally find open sights to be quicker to employ on running game.

For example, my 7x57mm Mauser Churchill Gun Makers Model Deluxe.
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That said, one must be aware of one’s own limitations at all times. When employing iron sights, I seldom fire at ranges above 150 yards (preferably under 100).

When hunting the vast majority of plains game, Cape buffalo (in open terrain), leopard over bait or lion over bait in Africa… a telescopic sight is infinitely advantageous. As a matter of fact, not employing telescopic sights in such scenarios can lead to the hunter being severely restricted in terms of the shots which he can make. Or worse, a wounded & lost head of game,

I personally am not a fan of telescopic sights on any rifle larger than .450 caliber. Or for rifles intended for hunting elephant, hippopotamus on land or leopard over hounds. And definitely not for rifles intended for spooring wounded dangerous game (especially in thick foliage).

I dedicated a section on the selection of the most appropriate sights on hunting rifles in Chapter VI of my autobiography. Some younger sportsmen may find it helpful.

I also strongly encourage my fellow aging sportsmen to regularly partake in optical exercises (as prescribed by any competent Doctor). It really does go a long way in keeping one’s eyesight well. It may not work for everyone, but it often does. My father is 94 and he fortunately doesn’t need spectacles either.
You are of course correct in that a wide V mated to an ivory foresight lines up quickly and easily. IMO, many iron sights are too fine, too dim to pick up, to use on moving targets--they DON'T line up easily. Especially those on Continental guns I own with a flat rear sight with tiny notch. I WISH they were all British DG style sights.

I HOPE I will not have to add that whatever iron sight you have should be tested for precision and filed if need be to "sight it in". What good would the best sight be if it was off, never having been adjusted for alignment nor height. But I'll bet a lot of rifles have iron sights that have never been tested, adjusted, or used
 
You are of course correct in that a wide V mated to an ivory foresight lines up quickly and easily. IMO, many iron sights are too fine, too dim to pick up, to use on moving targets--they DON'T line up easily. Especially those on Continental guns I own with a flat rear sight with tiny notch. I WISH they were all British DG style sights.

I HOPE I will not have to add that whatever iron sight you have should be tested for precision and filed if need be to "sight it in". What good would the best sight be if it was off, never having been adjusted for alignment nor height. But I'll bet a lot of rifles have iron sights that have never been tested, adjusted, or used
I generally use the ivory moon sight when shooting . It is easily visible due to its larger size and it shows up better against the animal in the scrub . Alternatively a diamond front sight . Again bigger than any normal iron front sight and easy to see against the animal.
 
Perhaps a red dot is the best compromise. You gain a measurable increase in speed and practical accuracy while largely retaining the weight, balance, and handling qualities of an iron-sighted rifle.

It seems like a middle ground that preserves the feel of a rifle built for irons while gaining a modern aiming system.

Curious how many here have gone that route and what your real-world experience has been.
JJ Perodeau, probably the greatest double gunsmith in the US, converts on average one or more double rifles PER week to red dot sights. He says the practical accuracy is cut in half by doing so. One great benefit to a red dot is you don’t lose your awareness to tunnel vision. They are designed to shoot with both eyes open.
 
You are of course correct in that a wide V mated to an ivory foresight lines up quickly and easily. IMO, many iron sights are too fine, too dim to pick up, to use on moving targets--they DON'T line up easily. Especially those on Continental guns I own with a flat rear sight with tiny notch. I WISH they were all British DG style sights.

I HOPE I will not have to add that whatever iron sight you have should be tested for precision and filed if need be to "sight it in". What good would the best sight be if it was off, never having been adjusted for alignment nor height. But I'll bet a lot of rifles have iron sights that have never been tested, adjusted, or used
I’ll join you in making that bet . You are spot on.
 
JJ Perodeau, probably the greatest double gunsmith in the US, converts on average one or more double rifles PER week to red dot sights. He says the practical accuracy is cut in half by doing so. One great benefit to a red dot is you don’t lose your awareness to tunnel vision. They are designed to shoot with both eyes open.
Good as long as you aren’t colour blind - which is about 20% of all males .
 
More like 8% of all males…and way less than that for those who own double rifles. Regardless, it’s a great option for many people.
 
I prefer to use a scope, but I like to have irons on my rifles just in case. Scopes can be damaged in the field. A rifle with a damaged scope and no irons is the end of that hunt. A rifle with irons can keep going. Sure you’ll have to keep your shots inside 100 yards (more or less depending on sights and shooter) but you’re still in the game. The lack of iron sights on most new rifles is a huge disappointment to me. This is one of the (many) reasons why I prefer older rifles. I have only one rifle without iron sights, and she actually doesn’t even have a scope on at the moment because I wanted the scope for something else. I usually grab something with irons for backup anyway, but she is a nice accurate rifle and one of these days I will get around to having a good set of irons installed, followed by a new scope.
 
I am personally quite fortunate in that I don’t need spectacles even as I near 75. Hopefully, it will stay this way. But one can never be too careful.

I personally am a big fan of hunting with iron sights. In the mangrove forests where I grew up hunting Axis deer (and where I would go on to shoot three man eating Royal Bengal tigers), vegetation is extremely dense and game animals mostly present themselves at ranges under 70 yards (with the vast majority of shots being taken under 50 yards and often as less as 30). Shots taken must be quick and instinctive. In those kinds of forests, a telescopic sight would do you no good. Wide V backsights and an uncovered ivory bead foresight are the best setup, since they are quick for the eye to line up & instinctively shoot.

I also prefer the same setup for driven hunts since I personally find open sights to be quicker to employ on running game.

For example, my 7x57mm Mauser Churchill Gun Makers Model Deluxe.
View attachment 744077

That said, one must be aware of one’s own limitations at all times. When employing iron sights, I seldom fire at ranges above 150 yards (preferably under 100).

When hunting the vast majority of plains game, Cape buffalo (in open terrain), leopard over bait or lion over bait in Africa… a telescopic sight is infinitely advantageous. As a matter of fact, not employing telescopic sights in such scenarios can lead to the hunter being severely restricted in terms of the shots which he can make. Or worse, a wounded & lost head of game,

I personally am not a fan of telescopic sights on any rifle larger than .450 caliber. Or for rifles intended for hunting elephant, hippopotamus on land or leopard over hounds. And definitely not for rifles intended for spooring wounded dangerous game (especially in thick foliage).

I dedicated a section on the selection of the most appropriate sights on hunting rifles in Chapter VI of my autobiography. Some younger sportsmen may find it helpful.

I also strongly encourage my fellow aging sportsmen to regularly partake in optical exercises (as prescribed by any competent Doctor). It really does go a long way in keeping one’s eyesight well. It may not work for everyone, but it often does. My father is 94 and he fortunately doesn’t need spectacles either.
Your mangrove swamp and our tyty bush swamps sound about the same.
In the 1980s a lot of people used see through scope mounts. Back when 3-9x32 and 2-7x32 were very common scopes
The mounts had the scope high enough you could easily see the sights through the big open space.
A lot of gun magazine wrighters said they were to high and did not give you a proper hold.
I can tell you they worked. Scope for low light early and late.
Opens for up close and running shots.
 
I generally use the ivory moon sight when shooting . It is easily visible due to its larger size and it shows up better against the animal in the scrub . Alternatively a diamond front sight . Again bigger than any normal iron front sight and easy to see against the animal.
Holy heck…Thought I was all alone in this world. Almost the same set up for me although to bling up the front sight I have an absolutely hideous ruby red «thing» I can swap the moonsight with. Effective on foggy mornings and rainy days.
 

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Your mangrove swamp and our tyty bush swamps sound about the same.
In the 1980s a lot of people used see through scope mounts. Back when 3-9x32 and 2-7x32 were very common scopes
The mounts had the scope high enough you could easily see the sights through the big open space.
A lot of gun magazine wrighters said they were to high and did not give you a proper hold.
I can tell you they worked. Scope for low light early and late.
Opens for up close and running shots.
lol… I wasn’t sure if anyone else remembered this set up. I had to dig way back in the gun safe.

It was great paired with a redfield low-pro wide view scope!

This one is from the 70s and accounted for my first white tail deer!
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Holy heck…Thought I was all alone in this world. Almost the same set up for me although to bling up the front sight I have an absolutely hideous ruby red «thing» I can swap the moonsight with. Effective on foggy mornings and rainy days.

One aspect I think Ruger did well was the rear express sight…. It’s amazing how something as simple as that little white line down the center aids in alignment with the front ivory bead.


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even though I will put 1 fixed, 2 folding on my 338-06AI (i noticed a double on this thread with 1 fixed, 4 folding:), the 2nd leaf is more for classic look than practicality. Here is my reload charting for 225 gn NF and the 2nd leaf at 300yd zero: Assuming a black bear is the game, the bullet leaves the vital zone at
70yds, comes back in at 285yd and exits 315yd. Yea, all just math, but...
I probably do not have a range finder when using only the irons, so need to guesstimate the yardage window at 300yds to +-15yds. Not sure I can do that. And to try to hold over elevation, the apparent bead size at 300yds is 24", about 2.5x larger than the vital zone and maybe 1.5x larger than the bear.
Sorry for the theoretical, just the engineer in me has to put pen to paper as my starting point.

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So, the most practical is 1 fixed at 100yd and 1folding setup up for 200yds. However, one could alwasy make the 2nd folding a 200yds zero with a V-groove at steeper angle, say 2 bead diameters, to get a hair better sight accuracy.
 
I am an iron sights guy even at 68 years . Got 21 rifles ( 14 are 375 and bigger ). 7 of my rifles have QD scopes . Only one rifle with a fixed scope and no irons . I learnt to shoot with good iron sights . British / European rifles were always well set up for irons . I think US makers always assumed scopes would be fitted so never properly worked out sight geometry . My 2 Rugers were terrible and were quickly sold . The iron sights on Rigby ph and Big Game rifles are excellent . And their peep sights are very user friendly at sub 100 metre ranges .
Beautiful rifle
 
JJ Perodeau, probably the greatest double gunsmith in the US, converts on average one or more double rifles PER week to red dot sights. He says the practical accuracy is cut in half by doing so. One great benefit to a red dot is you don’t lose your awareness to tunnel vision. They are designed to shoot with both eyes open.

Could you clarify, are you saying he claims it makes accuracy twice as good, or two times worse?
 

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