.425 Magnum Express Westley Richards Model 98

Thanks everyone for the info, soon as it turns up ill put pics up,looks like an interesting alternative to a 404. Its coming with ammo though ill see if i can order the projectiles and cases as there is an agent here in NZ
 
Congratulations on your immediate success.
I do love the WR front sight too.
Some historical WR-generated data was used to make this graph showing that
the 425 WR tops out for MV at very close to 28", and MV is 1 fps slower at 32" barrel length,
heh-heh-heh:

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You Rascal!! You didn't buy it, you STOLE it.
He may have felt he stole it, but the seller would have lost a lot if it was auctioned, or consigned. He probably gave the seller direct what the seller would have gotten otherwise? And wood and blued steel is desired by older men, nowadays heavily discounted.
 
Hi just purchased a WR rifle in 425WR, seen a few smaller WR rifles but never a big one. Does any one have any info on these,i think this may be a Colonial version circa 1924. I wont pick it up for a couple of months View attachment 742896View attachment 742897View attachment 742898View attachment 742898and the condition is original apart from a stock refinish and a rubber pad..that will be off and a silvers red one will go on it. Pity it didnt have the extended mag but i paid 2900 nz for it(about 1500 us) so wont moan. The bore is shinny and would be about a 9 out of ten.View attachment 742896View attachment 742899View attachment 742900View attachment 742901View attachment 742899View attachment 742900View attachment 742902
@Markinnz
Typical bloody kiwi, stealing rifles again.
I say that because at the price you paid for it you stole it. Ned Kelly was a gentleman compared to that.
Seriously tho that was a bargain buy and I hope you get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Should work well in some of those NZ pigs for practice before going to Africa.
Bob
 
Liberated from NSW, thank God !
No price should be criticized as too little for such a great service to civilization.

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The misaligned .458 WIN MAG feeding nevertheless never failed Finn.
Spring-loaded lips designed to straight-line feed the fatter, severely rebated-rim .425 WR case allowed the .458 WIN MAG to wag left and right reliably with slimmer case and wider rim.
If you ever run out of brass or bullets for the .425 WR,
consider a re-barrel to .458 WIN MAG with a SAAMI/CIP chamber.
Make that new barrel fit the current barrel channel, of course,
and with a barrel vise and wrench you will have a switch-barrel, heh-heh-heh.
 
"It has long been claimed by some writers that the .425 WR was conceived with a single-stack magazine, with one round placed directly under the other, rather than adopting the familiar staggered-feed of Mauser 98-action rifles.

"Discussing this 'single-stack magazine' concept with the gunmakers at Westley Richards, not one recalled ever having seen an example of a rifle with one fitted. Every vintage example of the .425 WR in the vault here (we have four) has the conventional staggered-feed magazine.

"To set the record straight, we are confident in stating that no such ‘straight feed magazine’ ever existed as a feature of rifles built for the .425 Westley Richards. It may be that the writers of these articles, looking at old catalogue illustrations, with five cartridges shown, held as a straight stack in a stripper clip, mistakenly assumed they loaded into the magazine that way. They don't.

"To ensure the rebated-rim cartridge channels correctly, as it is fed from the magazine, Leslie Taylor incorporated (spring-loaded) twin guides either side of the action. This distinctive feature of the .425 Westley Richards was a clever solution to the issue of making an unconventional cartridge feed reliably."

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"These guides can be seen when viewed from above. They edge inwards under spring action, to stop the cartridge slipping clear as it travels upwards. When the bolt is pushed forward, the guides are forced out of the way, where they sit until needed to guide the next cartridge. Not all .425 WR rifles had this pair of guides fitted but the better quality ones certainly did.

"Experience showed the .425 WR (and the rifles built to shoot it) to be very capable. The fast-reloading of the five-round magazine by means of stripper-clip was a boon to high-volume culling operators in British colonies and the combination proved to deliver relatively soft recoil, as well as boasting excellent accuracy and knock-down power."


Oops, just read above.
I am now disabused of countless gunrag writings about the .425 WR.
There was no straight line feeding from the top of the .425 WR magazine,
whether it had protruding WR magazine at belly or the usual-type flush floor plate.
There was some stagger in the stack, either way.
There was some tail wagging with the slightly fatter .425 WR cartridge also.
Spring-loaded side "lips" at top of magazine at rear of feed rails
allow the rebated rim to ride high enough to not be over ridden by the bolt face.
Combined with proper follower, rails and feed ramp shapes and proper fitting of all:
FAULTLESS FEEDING.

Finn's wagging .458 WIN MAG cartridges were just a little more angulated than the
wagging of the .425 WR cartridges going up the feed ramp.
Faultless feeding with either.
 
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The latest WR retaining lips for the .425 WR rifles are considerably improved in cosmetics.
See image above and compare to the old originals.

I tried to find it on the internet, but had to crack the book by good ol' Pierre van der Walt
to find an image of a .425 WR cartridge wagging its tail.
Note the matching angulation of the follower guiding the cartridge's approach
to the feed ramp properly fitted to the box.
The cartridges are in a staggered stack:

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The only chamber reamer drawing I have been able to find for the .425 WR (.425" bore and .435" groove) was by Clymer.
If it is to be trusted ...
It showed a leade-only throat of 0*30'00" leade hemi-angle, i.e., a 1-degree cone angle for the leade.

Compare that to the .458 WIN MAG leade hemi-angle of 0*29'30".
Very similar leade-only throats, differing by diameter of the base of the leade compared to bullet caliber.

The relative case capacities:
107.0 gr H2O for the .425 WR
95.0 gr H2O for the .458 WIN MAG

The .425 WR of 1909 was the Grandaddy "short magnum."
I suspect throating has something to do with it punching above its weight class.
Just like its Son, the .458 WIN MAG of 1956.
Grandma was the .375 H&H of 1912.
It was a great breeding, despite being a change-of-life-baby for Grandma at 44 y.o.
Whew !
 
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"It has long been claimed by some writers that the .425 WR was conceived with a single-stack magazine, with one round placed directly under the other, rather than adopting the familiar staggered-feed of Mauser 98-action rifles.

"Discussing this 'single-stack magazine' concept with the gunmakers at Westley Richards, not one recalled ever having seen an example of a rifle with one fitted. Every vintage example of the .425 WR in the vault here (we have four) has the conventional staggered-feed magazine.

"To set the record straight, we are confident in stating that no such ‘straight feed magazine’ ever existed as a feature of rifles built for the .425 Westley Richards. It may be that the writers of these articles, looking at old catalogue illustrations, with five cartridges shown, held as a straight stack in a stripper clip, mistakenly assumed they loaded into the magazine that way. They don't.

"To ensure the rebated-rim cartridge channels correctly, as it is fed from the magazine, Leslie Taylor incorporated (spring-loaded) twin guides either side of the action. This distinctive feature of the .425 Westley Richards was a clever solution to the issue of making an unconventional cartridge feed reliably."

220614-WR-43698-Shair-.425-Bolt-Action-27337.jpg


"These guides can be seen when viewed from above. They edge inwards under spring action, to stop the cartridge slipping clear as it travels upwards. When the bolt is pushed forward, the guides are forced out of the way, where they sit until needed to guide the next cartridge. Not all .425 WR rifles had this pair of guides fitted but the better quality ones certainly did.

"Experience showed the .425 WR (and the rifles built to shoot it) to be very capable. The fast-reloading of the five-round magazine by means of stripper-clip was a boon to high-volume culling operators in British colonies and the combination proved to deliver relatively soft recoil, as well as boasting excellent accuracy and knock-down power."


Oops, just read above.
I am now disabused of countless gunrag writings about the .425 WR.
There was no straight line feeding from the top of the .425 WR magazine,
whether it had protruding WR magazine at belly or the usual-type flush floor plate.
There was some stagger in the stack, either way.
There was some tail wagging with the slightly fatter .425 WR cartridge also.
Spring-loaded side "lips" at top of magazine at rear of feed rails
allow the rebated rim to ride high enough to not be over ridden by the bolt face.
Combined with proper follower, rails and feed ramp shapes and proper fitting of all:
FAULTLESS FEEDING.

Finn's wagging .458 WIN MAG cartridges were just a little more angulated than the
wagging of the .425 WR cartridges going up the feed ramp.
Faultless feeding with either.
A lot of gun writers talk absolute rubbish . Nearly every gun writer talks of a stacked 425 magazine . I’ve got a few 425s with both extended mags and flush mags - all staggered and I’ve handled another half dozen . Same as mine .
 
Post script:

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OK, "Everybody makes mistakes" according to Simon Clode.
The trick is to learn from them, says I.
Look what popped up in the February 2026 issue of THE VINTAGE GUN JOURNAL,
best summary yet of past enthusiasms, posted from link to Guns & Gunmakers|February 2024:


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OK, "Everybody makes mistakes" according to Simon Clode.
The trick is to learn from them, says I.
Look what popped up in the February 2026 issue of THE VINTAGE GUN JOURNAL,
best summary yet of past enthusiasms, posted from link to Guns & Gunmakers|February 2024:


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Vintage Gun Journal is always a good read . I think the Selous rifle was a best grade - not a white hunter . The clues are a cheek piece and folding front site protector . Not features found on the cheaper models . One of my 425s was produced in 1912 . A takedown and nearly identical . The Selous rifle’s barrel was cut down . Mine is still the original 26 inches . A really fantastic rifle/ ammo combination .
 
For drop lock double rifle, for first ever "all-capable-DGR" short magnum bolt action,
and all the refinements since, no other gunmaker can beat a Westley Richards, IMHO.
 
And don’t forget WR’s most famous accomplishment . Anson & Deeley invented the boxlock action . The basis for most sxs guns and rifles for the last 150 years and still going strong .
 
And don’t forget WR’s most famous accomplishment . Anson & Deeley invented the boxlock action . The basis for most sxs guns and rifles for the last 150 years and still going strong .
Amen.
I correct myself:
For drop lock double rifle, for first ever "all-capable-DGR" short magnum bolt action,
and all the inventions and refinements before and after those, no other gunmaker can hold a candle to Westley Richards' greatness, IMHO.

Another great article by Terry Wieland,

.425 Westley Richards "Rifle System"​

A Century Ahead and Better Than Most

By: Terry Wieland | January, 26


From the newly retitled Wolfe Pub RIFLE & HANDGUN MAGAZINE, it must be hot off the internet press,
I'll look for it in my paper subscription:
 
I know a former professional hunter who had a 425 WR that was converted to 458 Win mag - never seemed to have an issue.

Also, I know Jim Wisner finished up a 425 on a Mauser 98 that was unaltered from the factory, meaning it was built as a 425. It did not have the retaining clips and he says it feeds like grease through the proverbial goose...
 

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