If the 9.3x62 became the new legal minimum?

The very fast 300 Rum is surely too fast for close shots with breaking bullet risk very high when sure too!400 and 500 has made for defence.For a client coud become too much heavy and after several miles of walking under sun, an accuracy brain shot could be compromised if not impossible for a tired client
 
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Oelof is correct, it has been well documented that the hydros create a concentric hydrostatic wave at their nose. This accomplishes two things; it causes the bullet to track straighter, and it creates a larger wound channel than a conventional solid. As an engineer, I can get my head around this. However, what I struggle to understand is why they appear to out penetrate conventional solids. I would have expected penetration to be reduced by the dissipation of energy in the larger wound channel.
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The fastest medium caliber could be preferred by client ,x some difference reasons.Less weight ,less recoil more accuracy of his shots and in addiction ...over 20 mt of range medium cal ,will show more damnage in boiled room and more penetration on heavy bone ...this with solid bullet.The right we find in the middway!
 
Like me, English does not seem to be your first language. We therefore have to concentrate very hard on what we write in order to be understood more or less well. I don't understand what you are trying to tell us, because the original topic of the discussion was whether, if the cartridge 9,3x62 became the minimum for hunting dangerous game, would you replace your rifle caliber 375 H&H Magnum with one caliber 9,3x62. Of course, there are always side topics in all discussions that deviate somewhat, nevertheless, one should try to stay to the main topic as much as possible. You seem at times to have completely drifted off topic.
 
The minute you lower the legal minimum to 9.3x62mm Mauser… then, you’d have people demanding the legal minimum be lowered to .338 Winchester Magnum. And if you lowered the legal minimum to .338 Winchester Magnum, you’d have people demanding to legal minimum be lowered to .300 Winchester Magnum. And if you lowered the legal minimum to .300 Winchester Magnum, you’d have people demanding that the legal minimum be lowered to 7mm Remington Magnum. And if you had the legal minimum lowered to 7mm Remington Magnum… well, I think you all get the idea.

In all seriousness, a 9.3x62mm Mauser (in the hands of a client hunter) is perfectly fine for all members of the African Big Five, except for body shots on bull elephant or hippopotamus on land. Just use a premium grade expanding bullet and always remember that initial shot placement is extremely critical. Rhino in South Africa makes an excellent 286Gr bonded core expanding bullet called the “Solid Shank”. At 2360 FPS, this bullet will serve you perfectly well for most of your African hunting purposes. For brain shots on elephants, I really like the Cutting Edge Bullets monolithic brass 280Gr Safari Solids. I personally wouldn’t use the 9.3x62mm Mauser for hippopotamus on land (which invariably requires a body shot). A 9.3mm caliber solid to a hippopotamus’s heart-lung region will eventually prove fatal, but the game animal will often manage to make it into the water. On account of the thickness of their hides, most expanding bullets do not penetrate reliably enough into a hippopotamus’s vital organs on a body shot. Except a REALLY strongly constructed one such as the Barnes TSX. And I don’t believe that the 9.3x62mm Mauser has enough case capacity to generate the velocity you need to get a 286Gr Barnes TSX bullet to expand properly.
 
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Forrest Halley said:
I understood very little of the last three and a half pages. Essentially just a person talking to himself without regard for reply almost like a bot.

On a lighter note, I think @Bob Nelson 35Whelen has been forever surpassed as thread necromancer and rambler.
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@Forrest Halley
Maybe if you read slower you will understand better.
A bit like an Irish mums letter to her son.
She wrote the letter slowly because she knew her son couldn't read very fast.
His father got a new job, he now had 500 people underneath him, he mows lawns in a cemetery.
His sister is having a baby but they don't know if it's a boy or a girl so they can't tell him if he will be an uncle or an aunty.
Bob
 
I have owned and shot both, but never killed anything with them, so I can comment on their game killing abilities. What I can say is the my 9.3x62 was more comfortable to shoot with its milder recoil, and being about 1.5 lbs lighter, it was much easier to carry in the field. I currently own only a 9.3 but I haven’t sold my .375 reloading equipment just in case a super deal come along. You never know.
 
Hi Beck,

The 9,3x64 looks more powerful than the 375 only in printed ballistics: is a cartridge standarized with 65 cm barrel lenght and high pressures.
Its case capacity is right at the middle between 9,3x62 and 375 H&H so, being all other factors the same, its velocity!
In MY experience the x64 is 100 f/s ahead the x62 and 100 f/s behind the 375 H&H with almost all maximum safe handloads with similar bullet weight in the same barrel lenghts.
I said many times, if the 9,3x64 cartridges, loads and cases for reloading were more common, I would chose it from these three...!
 
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I would happily hunt all the great animals of the world with my 9.3x62mm, a custom I had built on a Heym 98 Mauser action that holds five down one in the pipe, extremely accurate, quarter rib express sight with Talley QD rings with levers.

280gr CEB flat nosed solids at 2500 fps
320gr Woodleigh PP, round nose Weldcore and solids, all at 2400 fps.

Ele, Hippo, Buffalo, Rhino would all fall immediately with accurate solid frontal brain shot, those bullets are among the deepest penetrators across the cartridge caliber spectrum.

The soft points will work very well for Buffalo on down to Steenbok, the round nosed Weldcore would also crumple the cats, it certainly may not provide the shock and awe of the very large bores, but, the large bores remain worthless if the shooter can't place accurate shots.
 
Clodo Ferreira said:
Hi Beck,

The 9,3x64 looks more powerful than the 375 only in printed ballistics: is a cartridge standarized with 65 cm barrel lenght and high pressures.
Its case capacity is right at the middle between 9,3x62 and 375 H&H so, being all other factors the same, its velocity!
In MY experience the x64 is 100 f/s ahead the x62 and 100 f/s behind the 375 H&H with almost all maximum safe handloads with similar bullet weight in the same barrel lenghts.
I said many times, if the 9,3x64 cartridges, loads and cases for reloading were more common, I would chose it from these three...!
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You might also consider a 9.3x66
 
I also think that the 9.3x64 is superior in some respects to the 375 HH in terms of performance.
It uses a smaller case and no belt.
The 9.3 bullets have better CB and DS for the same weight.
A caliber that is 98 years old, I hope that Brenneke will do something for the centenary of this caliber.
I don't agree that it's between the 9.3x62 and the 375 hh.
I've seen plenty of 9.3x64/375s with 65 cm barrels, but 9.3x62s with 65 cm barrels are nowhere to be found.
We load our 9.3x64s to 4000 bars and they rival the factory loads of the 375 hh, and we have cautious loads, so it's possible to win.
incredible very recent experience of a friend on a Mauser 66, 2 barrels in 9.3x64, one 65 cm and another cut to 48 cm (for battue).
it's incredible to see on the chronograph that he loses on the same load between the 2 guns, 50 m/s on a Degol 262g RS60 swiss reload and especially 15 m/s on a Sologne GPA 238 gr vectan SP7. the groupings are good at 50 m, it was incredible if I hadn't seen it!
My friend said to himself "I'd lose speed so I'd be like a 9.3x62" but in truth he's still better/equal with a 48 cm 9.3x64 than with a 60 cm 9.3x62.
I know it's a gamble on this experiment, but we'll try other loadings.
I prefer 63-66 cm barrels, which stabilize the projectiles better.
my custom DWM 1909 arg in 9,3x64 (production in progress) will be with a walther lothar 66 cm.
 
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The cartridge 9,3x64 does not have the same aura as the cartridge 9,3x62 for hunting in Africa, as it came onto the market somewhat later and then found sufficient use for hunting heavy game in Germany of this time. In the French part of Africa it seemed to gain a certain popularity after the WWII, but over the decades with ups and downs. In the 1990s, we feared that it would soon be dead. Fortunately, that is not the case nowadays, at least in Europe. However, it would be a better alternative to the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum as the cartridge 9,3x62, unless it is about the recoil of the rifle, which is certainly a bit stronger with the cartridge 9,3x64, especially if you load the 320gr bullets.
 
The minimum energy is indicative and is 3850 fott pound.The first 9.3 x62 or x 74 was with a bullet of 285 grs stark mantel at from 2170 a 2360 feet x second and relative energy under legal energy limit of Zim law.But in a second time RWS made a new load with 258 grs H Mantel at over 2600 fps and relative 3850 foot pound,just right to regard Zim Law for buff ele and hippo.It cannot be a fate's link!So...I agree that national park shall never ask u a cronograph test about your ammo! THE minimum energy and caliber has ,second my opinion,indicative only and the late Ganyana ,when pushed for the introduction of this new law,did know very well and national park surely too.
 
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