Critique this youth load

[rookhawk]

I don’t reload so I can’t tell you about a load.
But I think Remington usto load a 30-06 down to a light 30-30 type load
In there reduce recoil line.

And if your up to adding a kids rifle the 350 L is very light recoil I think about 1/2 of a 243 with a lot bigger and heavier bullet.

My son’s rifle is near exhibition quality, I eschew mass produced low quality stuff. Every kid gets one “forever” rifle and shotgun before they leave the house at 18. So the focus is on getting the wonderful rifle he already has into use with a mild recoil load so he can stop using the pre-64 .243 and start using his rifle.

 

[Flbt]

My son’s rifle is near exhibition quality, I eschew mass produced low quality stuff. Every kid gets one “forever” rifle and shotgun before they leave the house at 18. So the focus is on getting the wonderful rifle he already has into use with a mild recoil load so he can stop using the pre-64 .243 and start using his rifle.

Ok

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

So my youngest has taken a shine to deer hunting this year and he's been borrowing his brother's 7x64 brenneke for more "oomph" than the communal kid's .243. My youngest was gifted a very nice Austrian custom mauser in 30-06 a few years ago but he's been waiting to grow into it. He's ready, but it has a classic engraved steel butt plate so I want to manage recoil a bit.

I selected Barnes TTSX 130gr bullets thinking they would be just fine for deer and coyote on the homestead and the load data suggests they are smoking fast so it should be swell.

Please critique my load options. Note, for practicality's sake we will not develop loads, we will use starting loads so performance at starting levels is relevant.

The starting load of IMR3031 is 50.5gr @3052FPS and produces 15.7lbs of felt recoil.

The starting load of RL15 is 53.5gr @3107FPS and produces 16.8lbs of felt recoil.

The starting load of TAC is 48.5gr @2981FPS and produces 14.8lbs of felt recoil.

The starting load of H335 is 48gr @2944FPS and produces 14.4lbs of felt recoil.

I have 3031 and RL15, I would need to source the other two. Any conjecture on which one of those four options with a barnes TTSX is likely to provide best accuracy?

@rookhawk
what sort of deer and what ranges?
I'm wondering why the 130gn TTSX
You could load the 150gn SST far cheaper and use a 60% of max charge of H4895 for similar or less recoil at a far cheaper price and still have an effective game load.
That's just my opinion because I'm a cheapskate.
Bob

 

[AZDAVE]

Have never loaded bullets lighter the 165gr in the 06, so watching this thread with interest.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Yes, use a F210.

Varget is an incredibly useful powder, I use more of it than all others added together. Order a couple of jugs and you’ll find it works well in many cartridges. I’d not be without it.

Midway, Natchez, Midsouth, and Powder Valley all have it in stock right now.

You’re welcome.

@Tex .416
That's what I love about CFE 223 works in calibres from 17 Remington upto 375 H&H.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Varget or 4064 would be my first choice. Either powder will work fine with standard primers given the charges you will be using, also they seem to be more forgiving than ball powders when downloading (meaning not max loads in this case). I always seem to have to run ball powders full throttle for best results.
Will any luck he’ll become a full blooded 30-06 man and get over his 7mm affliction.

@Wyatt Smith
Come now young grasshopper.
You still have much to learn. There's nought wrong with the 280 or 7x64 both are exceptionally good game cartridges.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

My son’s rifle is near exhibition quality, I eschew mass produced low quality stuff. Every kid gets one “forever” rifle and shotgun before they leave the house at 18. So the focus is on getting the wonderful rifle he already has into use with a mild recoil load so he can stop using the pre-64 .243 and start using his rifle.

@rookhawk
NO-ONE should be inflicted with a 243 of any sort, they will be sorely disappointed and be turned off hunting.
For reduced loads H4895 is ine of the best as it can safely be reduced to 69% of the max load and safely used for max loads.
H4350 andH4895 will give the same velocity with a 150gn bullet with their respective max loads in the 06.
Bob

 

[farmer_john]

Have never loaded bullets lighter the 165gr in the 06, so watching this thread with interest.

Whats your pet load?

 

[AZDAVE]

DM sent

 

[ftrovato]

So my youngest has taken a shine to deer hunting this year and he's been borrowing his brother's 7x64 brenneke for more "oomph" than the communal kid's .243. My youngest was gifted a very nice Austrian custom mauser in 30-06 a few years ago but he's been waiting to grow into it. He's ready, but it has a classic engraved steel butt plate so I want to manage recoil a bit.

I selected Barnes TTSX 130gr bullets thinking they would be just fine for deer and coyote on the homestead and the load data suggests they are smoking fast so it should be swell.

Please critique my load options. Note, for practicality's sake we will not develop loads, we will use starting loads so performance at starting levels is relevant.

The starting load of IMR3031 is 50.5gr @3052FPS and produces 15.7lbs of felt recoil.

The starting load of RL15 is 53.5gr @3107FPS and produces 16.8lbs of felt recoil.

The starting load of TAC is 48.5gr @2981FPS and produces 14.8lbs of felt recoil.

The starting load of H335 is 48gr @2944FPS and produces 14.4lbs of felt recoil.

I have 3031 and RL15, I would need to source the other two. Any conjecture on which one of those four options with a barnes TTSX is likely to provide best accuracy?

Go shoot it with what you have. Every gun is different but the 30-06 is not hard to get enough accuracy with a min powder charge that is good enough for deer.

I think your plan is perfect for any kid and even adult for deer!

I've gone as light as if I remember correctly 110 grain bullets out of the 30-06 for target shooting and they shot fine with a min powder charge of whatever powder I had laying around for prospective.

I killed many deer with 30-06 and min powder charges and whatever bullet tips I had laying around at the time.

 

[7x57Joe]

Roothawk, the loads you are considering will most likely perform well but, here is another route to consider.
I like to use my Mannlicher-Schoenauer in .30'06 for our whitetail deer which go 130 to 150 pounds. The '06 is a bit excessive on my property where a long shot is 75 yards and most shots run 30-50 yards. I developed a load using a 170 grain .30-30 bullet and 42 grains of IMR-3031. Velocity is 2349 fps and recoil calculates to 12.8 foot pounds. Probably could use a 150 or the 160 FTx for a little flatter trajectory and less recoil.

 

[Ray B]

What's the goal? to have a gun/load that will provide a big gun experience without the big gun recoil that may lead to bad shooting technique. First step get a gun that fits. Second have a load that has reduced muzzle flash/bang which leads to jet propulsion effect and "startle". If the gun fits and is held properly, effects of actual recoil will be minimal. In addition to the gun oriented aspects there is also the shooter's mindset. A focus on firing technique will occupy the mind and reduce those tendencies to flinch and otherwise disrupt the process.

 

[rookhawk]

What's the goal? to have a gun/load that will provide a big gun experience without the big gun recoil that may lead to bad shooting technique. First step get a gun that fits. Second have a load that has reduced muzzle flash/bang which leads to jet propulsion effect and "startle". If the gun fits and is held properly, effects of actual recoil will be minimal. In addition to the gun oriented aspects there is also the shooter's mindset. A focus on firing technique will occupy the mind and reduce those tendencies to flinch and otherwise disrupt the process.

The goal is that a hundred pound kid can enjoy his very nice rifle that has more punch than a 243, learn to develop loads, and not get spanked by a skeletonized butt on a high grade stalking rifle.

 

[Ray B]

The goal is for the 100# kid to have a pleasant shooting experience. The parameters of the event are that the rifle is a 30-06 that has a steel buttplate. The challenges involve negotiating the rifles recoil as it processes through the rifle via the steel buttplate and into the shoulder of the 100# kid. The issue that has been addressed is the reduction of ballistic performance via reduced loads. These loads address the issue of the closed and open ballistic systems. However other aspects should not be overlooked in the endeavor to have a pleasant experience. I suspect that proper technique and focus has been part of the training since he was small but can be reviewed. additionally the transfer of recoil through the steel buttplate can be modified by such implements as a Pact shoulder pad or benchrest style shooting jacket. Given proper accommodations the experience can have very good results.