Does RSA have a minimum caliber for PG ? These .223 & 6mm test are infuriating

[pilar]

As the title implies I am totally flabbergasted by those guys promoting that hunting in Africa doesn’t require what most would consider normal hunting caliber and bonded & or mono bullet.
They are using 6mm match bullets for larger Pg ( like kudu , waterbuck , eland , giraffes) and .223 with match grade on every thing else
Scenario is in a small escape proof enclosure, shoot them then watch them run around for a minute or so
Then later do a necropsy on penetration and damage, and then discuss the merits of using small caliber
On all North American game , like elk , bear , moose , and now they have proof that it’s good enough for an African safari!
Well I was infuriated and confronted the podcast host and confirmed they where on safari on a small property in RSA to make video proof content , they and their audience really raked me over the coals and
Ridiculed me and any other opposing views as F ing fudd’s , and fools for not excepting the proof.
I am really disappointed that hunters are shooting small caliber bullets and watching game m running around mortally injured, have we really reached that point of degradation?

 

[pilar]

This is the answer I just received
“Always prioritize ethical hunting practices by using the largest caliber you can shoot accurately and premium ammunition suitable for the specific game you are pursuing”

 

[mark-hunter]

I am really disappointed that hunters are shooting small caliber bullets and watching game m running around mortally injured, have we really reached that point of degradation?

Not all hunters are created equal. I believe it will not be a first choice for the great majority of us.

It is a matter of advertising a new product. Go to Africa, with our bullets and rifle, and we will cover safari expenses, then we will make a video about it.
Honestly, If I get a proposition like that, I am not sure how I would respond. This is tempting.

Another possibility is modern-day "wannabe sniper" frenzy, and such a wannabe exhibitionist in the act of self-promotion.

Recently, I read an article in a hunting magazine. Picture of a kudu allegedly shot with a 6.5 CM. And then added the benefits of the new 6.5 CM round:

- extended trajectory compared to classic cartridges (which I find irrelevant for hunting ranges up to 200 meters, compared to anything in the 30 caliber range)

- better accuracy, expected in a factory rifle to be at least 3/4 MOA, as opposed to 1 MOA with most calibers such as 308 win (which, again, I find irrelevant for general hunting purposes)

6.5 CM may not be bad at all -within its own limitations, but "extended trajectory and better accuracy" when compared to 30-06, does not make it ideal or first choice for safari, nor any other classic or traditional type of hunt on large animals. An inexperienced hunter, a novice might just take the bait.


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[LWPhunt]

It's all about the "cool" factor. otherwise there is no justification. To each his own, many of us remain stalwarts of proven history and results.

 

[skydiver386]

People have always been stupid, they just didn't have the Internet to show the entire World they were stupid.

 

[grand veneur]

The current trend regarding calibers suitable for different game species is moving downwards toward smaller calibers. Limits are exceeded very quickly as a result. If there were no prescribed minimum for some game species, some people would shoot with no matter what on no matter what, even on very big game species. The posts from some Forum members, regarding the cartridges they would use if such minima would not exist, confirm that. It's our own fault if such experiment happened.

 

[Tbitty]

 

[deewayne2003]

You have to understand that it's pure marketing, their selling confidence to the inexperienced.

I've seen in the last 4-5 years the number of whitetail hunters showing up with drop grip stocks, massive scopes, muzzle brakes and bipods; explode in popularity and not just amongst the younger crowd - the 50yo+ guys who love to dress up in the Sitka Tuxedo have adapted this mantra whole heartedly.

If you have 4 guys show up in King Ranch F350's wearing matching Sitka gear you know they will be pulling out rifles in one of the new long range calibers or an AR platform with more attachments than a Swiss army knife.

These are typically hunters that only go on hunts when they get invited on a free hunt paid for by a company they buy materials from, otherwise they'd rather spend their time in Cabo Mexico or Vegas.

 

[Boone66]

The current trend regarding calibers suitable for different game species is moving downwards toward smaller calibers. Limits are exceeded very quickly as a result. If there were no prescribed minimum for some game species, some people would shoot with no matter what on no matter what, even on very big game species. The posts from some Forum members, regarding the cartridges they would use if such minima would not exist, confirm that. It's our own fault if such experiment happened.

I'm not sure about that, Montana doesn't have a caliber restriction and all the hunters I know go as big as they can, to drop the animals as fast as possible. But yeah, with these idiots on the internet, I can the younger generation trying to use varmint guns and losing game.

 

[Hogpatrol]

Damn it, missed another one.

 

[steve white]

Am currently re-reading "Pondoro" wherein Taylor states that he cannot understand the current mania for using the smallest acceptable cartridge on game, as though it is somehow more sporting. I agree--it is not more sporting to the animal to have an increased chance of lingering death! The object is to put the animal down in the most humane manner, and a smaller caliber doesn't "hurt less."

 

[Redfishga1]

Damn yall are sitka haters today.

 

[Art Lambart II]

I had a coworker show up to a hog hunt with a .223 and Hornady V-Max ammo, after shooting his first hog 6 times in the chest and having to use his 40 S&W to finish the job he was very dissapointed. The next day I loaned him my back-up .270 using 140 grain Accubonds and all his problems vanished. If the .223 was such a effective hunting round why did they develope the 300 Blackout and the 6.8 SPC?

 

[Hogpatrol]

I often wonder what hunting haute couture was before the advent of camo.

 

[Tbitty]

Discussions that will never be solved:

Which caliber is best
High fence vs free range
What is a woman thinking

 

[Justbryan]

When I choose a caliber, I am try consider my objective. I want to make a quick clean kill, preserve the hide for mounting, and be safe. So, I would not use a 6mm for any kudu, waterbuck, eland, or giraffe. It may preserve the hide but it may not make a quick clean kill.

I would not use a 300 WSM (my favorite rife and caliber) for the tiny ten. It will make a clean kill but cause too much damage to the hide. I would use my 223 for any tiny ten but not kudu, waterbuck, eland, or giraffe. But I might use my 375 H&H with solids on the tiny ten instead of my 223 if dangerous game were present.

There are acceptable calibers and acceptable bullets for each species, terrain, distance, and objective. I don't think skill level should be a factor in caliber and bullet selection. I believe it is arrogance (attitude of superiority) and ignorance (lack of knowledge) that causes one to shoot inappropriate calibers and bullets in inappropriate circumstance.

"Stupid is as stupid does!"

 

[375er]

As the title implies I am totally flabbergasted by those guys promoting that hunting in Africa doesn’t require what most would consider normal hunting caliber and bonded & or mono bullet.
They are using 6mm match bullets for larger Pg ( like kudu , waterbuck , eland , giraffes) and .223 with match grade on every thing else
Scenario is in a small escape proof enclosure, shoot them then watch them run around for a minute or so
Then later do a necropsy on penetration and damage, and then discuss the merits of using small caliber
On all North American game , like elk , bear , moose , and now they have proof that it’s good enough for an African safari!
Well I was infuriated and confronted the podcast host and confirmed they where on safari on a small property in RSA to make video proof content , they and their audience really raked me over the coals and
Ridiculed me and any other opposing views as F ing fudd’s , and fools for not excepting the proof.
I am really disappointed that hunters are shooting small caliber bullets and watching game m running around mortally injured, have we really reached that point of degradation?

Stoned in a public square is too good for these people!!

 

[deewayne2003]

Damn yall are sitka haters today.

Lets just say.... I've had bad experiences..... Consistently bad experiences!

Don't get me wrong they make good gear and I own some of it, but it seem like the Sitka Tuxedo has become the Louis Vuitton purse of the poser hunters.

My ideal hunter to guide for whitetail will show up with.....

Empty large ice chest in the back of his truck.
Brown overalls
His own pair of binoculars
.270, .308 or 30-06

Then I know he came ready to take care of business!...... efficiently

 

[pilar]

I often wonder what hunting haute couture was before the advent of camo.

I don’t know, but my grand father wore blue jeans, wrangler shirt , redwing cowboy boots, and if he got cold a denim fleece lined jacket,
Mimi wore the same except she had a flannel shirt for hunting & carhart jackets
But that was in the hay day of hunting 1940’s - 1980’s
Dad wore his GI tiger striped camo

And all my clients wore FR work shirts and jeans, red wing work boots

 

[Boone66]

I don’t know, but my grand father wore blue jeans, wrangler shirt , redwing cowboy boots, and if he got cold a denim fleece lined jacket,
Mimi wore the same except she had a flannel shirt for hunting & carhart jackets
But that was in the hay day of hunting 1940’s - 1980’s
Dad wore his GI tiger striped camo

And all my clients wore FR work shirts and jeans, red wing work boots

I deer hunted in my youth in jeans and flannel and duck hunted in woodland camo. Now it's a toss up, for awhile I wore cammo for deer, mostly now I wear green carhart jacket and either cammo carhart pants, blue jeans, or green wool. I still wear cammo for turkey and wildfowl though.