Trophy fee charged for animals shot for bait

[Phfat]

Are animals shot as bait for carnivore hunts charged a trophy fee?

For example, a gazelle or impala or hippo shot for bait, would the hunter be charged the trophy fee for those animals, knowing beforehand that they were being shot to be used as bait for a different creature?

 

[375Fox]

It depends. A private land leopard hunt in a place like Namibia has a lot more flexibility than a concession area hunt in a place like Zimbabwe where the government sets the quotas. Private land I’d expect to take non-trophy animals as bait at a reduced price because landowner makes the decisions. Most concession areas whether it’s a good trophy or technically a non-trophy it still counts towards same limited quota. I have seen quotas though for female impala, female kudu, female buffalo at reduced prices in concessions in Zimbabwe. The outfitter may also make you a better price on something with a high quota like impala rams, but generally I’d expect to pay full trophy fee price for bait.

 

[375Fox]

Some areas you can also buy domestic livestock as bait.

 

[Hunting Hitman]

It absolutely can be BUT if they are using a trophy animal for bait then you absolutely have the right to have it prepped for taxidermy at your discretion. Don’t get talked into shooting it and them just quartering it and hanging in a tree.

HH

 

[Cme1983]

In wild areas of Zim, Zambia, Mozambique, and Tanzania you are going to pay full price for bait animals. As @375Fox said, in areas like cattle ranches you can buy bait animals. The outfitter will cape and preserve any trophy you want before using the rest of the animal for bait.

If you are hunting a leopard the bait animals needed will be cheaper than bait animals if you are hunting a lion. When hunting a lion last year we took hippo, buff, and waterbuck for bait. (Shot my lion off of the waterbuck bait believe it or not). For leopard we primarily used impala.

 

[Philip Glass]

It depends. A private land leopard hunt in a place like Namibia has a lot more flexibility than a concession area hunt in a place like Zimbabwe where the government sets the quotas. Private land I’d expect to take non-trophy animals as bait at a reduced price because landowner makes the decisions. Most concession areas whether it’s a good trophy or technically a non-trophy it still counts towards same limited quota. I have seen quotas though for female impala, female kudu, female buffalo at reduced prices in concessions in Zimbabwe. The outfitter may also make you a better price on something with a high quota like impala rams, but generally I’d expect to pay full trophy fee price for bait.

What he said.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I don't hunt over bait but I do cull animals. For culls I'm charged whatever the property owner would get at the butcher. Outfitter takes the carcass and processes it. What he doesn't use he sells. I have been allowed to take horns.

 

[Russ16]

So when you pay for pre-baiting are they using the meat form animals previous hunters took, and you’re just paying for the time/effort to hang the baits?

 

[mark-hunter]

Are animals shot as bait for carnivore hunts charged a trophy fee?

In Namibia, I shot two warthogs for bait, for another next incoming hunter for leopard - for free.
But I dont know the ways in other countries,

 

[Cme1983]

I don't hunt over bait but I do cull animals. For culls I'm charged whatever the property owner would get at the butcher. Outfitter takes the carcass and processes it. What he doesn't use he sells. I have been allowed to take horns.

Have you ever hunted a cat? If you did then you would need bait.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

No, I d

Have you ever hunted a cat? If you did then you would need bait.

No I don't shoot cats or bears. Okay with those that do but I'm just not into shooting stuff over bait.

 

[Cme1983]

No, I d

No I don't shoot cats or bears. Okay with those that do but I'm just not into shooting stuff over bait.

Thank you for inserting your opinion when what you do has no relevance to what the OP was asking.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Thank you for inserting your opinion when what you do has no relevance to what the OP was asking.

Perhaps. But I don't see much difference between culling for staff meat or for baiting cats. I would think the similarity would be obvious. So are the same outfitters charging clients trophy fees for animals shot to feed staff? I have done that on a couple of occasions and never charged a thing. Interesting.

 

[Cme1983]

Yes, they do. You pay for the animals that are shot. You aren’t taking the meat home anyway. That always stays with the outfitter.

 

[HookMeUpII]

It absolutely can be BUT if they are using a trophy animal for bait then you absolutely have the right to have it prepped for taxidermy at your discretion. Don’t get talked into shooting it and them just quartering it and hanging in a tree.

HH

I was wondering this myself. So, typically, they will cape it out and allow the hunter who takes the bait animal to have it mounted or dipped and packed?

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Yes, they do. You pay for the animals that are shot. You aren’t taking the meat home anyway. That always stays with the outfitter.

I guess the difference is if the outfitter (or his best friend) owns the property. When I culled on his/their property, I paid nothing. Meat was used by staff. "Go shoot a couple of scrub impala rams for staff meat." Culling on another landowner's property I paid the "meat price" because he lost an animal he could have sold to the butcher. Fair enough. But I never paid full trophy fees for animals I culled on any property.

 

[Cme1983]

I was wondering this myself. So, typically, they will cape it out and allow the hunter who takes the bait animal to have it mounted or dipped and packed?

If it’s a cull animal in say Namibia then that automatically makes it non exportable. If it is a trophy animal used for bait they will absolutely allow you to cape it out.

 

[Cme1983]

I guess the difference is if the outfitter (or his best friend) owns the property. When I culled on his/their property, I paid nothing. Meat was used by staff. "Go shoot a couple of scrub impala rams for staff meat." Culling on another landowner's property I paid the "meat price" because he lost an animal he could have sold to the butcher. Fair enough. But I never paid trophy fees for animals I culled on any property.

The difference in that situation is that the landowner is not paying for those impala tags, they are bred on his property. Outfitters have to pay the government for the quota they receive. That is why you don’t see price drops in free range areas until October or November.

 

[Cme1983]

The only situation where I can think of that one may be able to cull animals at no cost in a free range area is if Parks and Wildlife want meat to feed their employees. In that situation most outfitters would rather have themselves or a client cull a company of animals as opposed to having those guys running around with AK’s shooting everything in sight and disturbing the hunting area.

 

[VertigoBE]

Perhaps. But I don't see much difference between culling for staff meat or for baiting cats. I would think the similarity would be obvious. So are the same outfitters charging clients trophy fees for animals shot to feed staff? I have done that on a couple of occasions and never charged a thing. Interesting.

It has nothing to do with the purpose of the animal. In wild areas whether the animal is killed for its trophy, for meat of the staff, as bait, or as a pest, or to please the chieftain from the next village, it still counts as a slot used from the limited number of available quota for the specific species in that region. Whether it was sick, trophy, or non trophy, that quota needs to be paid in full in wilderness areas.