Politics

[Tubby’s Canteen]

I’m not a fan of the farm bill and bailing out (social welfare) for the US farmer at all. By extension, I’m not a fan of social welfare for mining/refining of metals, nor am I a fan of subsidizing timber industries in America.

On the other hand, I’m not such a pure libertarian that I cannot listen to reason that protecting the existence of some of these industries is an interest of national security. Yes, we need domestic food, manufacturing, and raw materials or we are completely vulnerable to acts of war against us and an inevitable “sue for peace” on bad terms.

Solution? End all the damned subsidies of big government and overtly tell me as a taxpayer what programs are not social welfare, rather they are absolutely national security interests. (E.g. CRP land IS national security) It’s so convoluted, bloated, and confusing right now I cannot ascertain the purpose of the various incentives whatsoever.

If you remove the subsidies the cost of dairy products would increase to roughly the same as they are on the foreign markets which would make them cost prohibitive to offshore and lead to the reduction of the u.s. dairy herd to a size more inline with domestic demand and then it becomes a moot point. As long as the system is set up to subsidize on volume there will be a need to offshore or dump product.

 

[Alistair]

Countries could certainly make America hurt. The key is getting their act together and being able to coordinate a response. If 50 countries are already trying to negotiate with America the chances of that happening may be pretty low.

Edit: I do think the EU will target tech and financial services. It will be interesting to see if Trump's response would be similar to his response to China.

Point.

I think Japan and the EU are likely to be the most likely to pull that trigger. Likely the EU, primarily.

I bet the UK is a bit sad to have Brexited now. Heavy tariffs on US financial services could have been great for London...

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Point.

I think Japan and the EU are likely to be the most likely to pull that trigger. Likely the EU, primarily.

I bet the UK is a bit sad to have Brexited now. Heavy tariffs on US financial services could have been great for London...

Seems to be a rise in support for canzuk

 

[Alistair]

Seems to be a rise in support for canzuk

Eh, not nearly influential enough to matter.

Canada, UK, EU, maybe. If you can pull Japan, S. Korea, Australia, NZ, India in as well, sure. China joining would also change the calculus.

But with the best will in the World, Canada and the UK are bit players, there's no way that the US is going to take them seriously on their own. Sure, they can hurt the US, but not as much as the US can hurt them. So it's not a winning strategy if we're to take the Trump position that all foreign relations must be zero sum games. This isn't the 40's any more.

I say that as a UK citizen.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Eh, not nearly influential enough to matter.

Canada, UK, EU, maybe. If you can pull Japan, S. Korea, Australia, NZ, India in as well, sure. China joining would also change the calculus.

But with the best will in the World, Canada and the UK are bit players, there's no way that the US is going to take them seriously on their own. Sure, they can hurt the US, but not as much as the US can hurt them. So it's not a winning strategy if we're to take the Trump position that all foreign relations must be zero sum games. This isn't the 40's any more.

I say that as a UK citizen.

I believe the purposed alliance layed forth in canzuk is Canada u.k. Australia and New Zealand.

 

[Alistair]

I believe the purposed alliance layed forth in canzuk is Canada u.k. Australia and New Zealand.

That's a bit more meaningful, but still not enough imo.

Add in all the other commonwealth nations, maybe you're getting close enough to economic MAD for the US to take note. India being the important one, of course.

It's also a real shame that the UK doesn't come with lots of influence in the EU anymore. Otherwise their word would carry a lot more weight and maybe canzuk would be more compelling.

Shockingly, economic isolationism doesn't seem to be working out for anyone...

 

[mdwest]

Im CANZUK doesn’t have a prayer..

Conservatives in each country support to varying degrees the concept… while liberals detest it..

New Zealand currently has a center right government… every other country has a liberal government…

Until that changes CANZAK won’t fly

 

[cwpayton]

China playing the tariff game ......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1908876105764716734

I just hope on my next hunt, when we drive through a little village in the bush.I DONT see a walmart, if it does happen sure there will be a sale on 7.62x 39.

 

[steve white]

Nothing parked in front there vacant this time of year there summer properties we won’t start seeing the come from aways until the ferry starts running

It was a joke--you mentioned "several have burned down"

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Im CANZUK doesn’t have a prayer..

Conservatives in each country support to varying qdegrees the concept… while liberals detest it..

New Zealand currently has a center right government… every other country has a liberal government…

Until that changes CANZAK won’t fly

Tories are back within 5 points in the polls thanks in part to liberal candidate ties to china. There’s a chance for conservative government although most likely a minority a lot will ride on voter turnout.

 

[DillonG]

1.3 Trillion was liquidated from the crypto markets over the last week.

Blue-light special sale. I’m not going to complain.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Blue-light special sale. I’m not going to complain.

Waiting to see if Eth goes down to 3 digits. But XRP and SOL seem ridiculously cheap.

 

[mdwest]

Tories are back within 5 points in the polls thanks in part to liberal candidate ties to china. There’s a chance for conservative government although most likely a minority a lot will ride on voter turnout.

I sincerely pray they pull it off… I believe Poilievre is Canadas best hope… not only in navigating the difficult tariff waters currently in the forefront .. but also for a lasting future…

What Canada doesn’t need (my opinion) is a smarter liberal with the same shitty values and ideals Trudeau had..

 

[LivingTheDream]

insurance would be a complex issue , it would depend if the policy was updated recently or not housing prices have skyrocketed in recent years where as seasonal homes locally at least are in a lot of cases multigenerational and or have been owned the by the same owner for at least a decade. 2.9% of the 3.6% have not changed hands in the last 10 years.

To the housing market a cooling of the market would be a relief locally. There is a major shortage of housing on the market. A there is also localized discontent over the number of ocean front properties owned by foreigners and environmental laws prohibiting further commercial development of the coast line.

It is a complex issue about one step ahead of burning teslas on the intelligence scale , a very very small step.

Sounds very isolationist.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Sounds very isolationist.

I’ve never said I support it I was adding some context to a conversation with @mdwest if you read it in context with the rest of the conversation it probably makes much more sense. The housing prices doubling is in regards to insurance coverage and wether or not it has been brought up to market value. Which properties owned 10+ years a lot of times aren’t. Didn’t California have issues with that after the latest round of fires?

 

[LivingTheDream]

I’ve never said I support it I was adding some context to a conversation with @mdwest

I was being a bit of a smart ass, sorry I couldn't resist.

 

[spike.t]

Thats just extortion of Africa by another means..

China already wanted all of Africas raw materials..

What they don't have an appetite for is African consumer goods..

So they arent going to tax themselves any longer on importing African raw materials.. and they arent going to tarrif consumer goods that they weren't buying anyway...

Yup....

After $300bn promise, what next for Africa’s exports to China?

Trade between Africa and China looks set to reach the targets offered in 2021; but what will it take to shift it toward value addition on the continent?

african.business

 

[spike.t]

Bit of a double standard....wants outside companies to set up in usa, but doesn't like how tax works on usa companies in their original countries so will double tax them for operating in usa....

US threatens to double tax rates on UK firms under obscure 91-year-old rule

The Trump administration is considering invoking a rarely used 1930s tax rule to double the rate on UK companies operating in the US, escalating tensions beyond tariffs.

bmmagazine.co.uk

 

[spike.t]

Personal hunting trophies not included in the tariffs....

Sport-Hunted Trophies Exempt from New U.S. Import Tariffs - Safari Club

Safari Club International has been informed that personal sport-hunted trophies shipped to the United States are exempt from the new tariffs on imported

safariclub.org

 

[spike.t]

Wonder who knows what the actual "plan" is....

Trump's game of chicken over tariffs leaves world guessing

The US president is pressing ahead with his global tariffs, as even some allies wonder if he is going too far.

www.bbc.com