What do your passwords look like?

I hope you mean the password to your vault, and not the same password you use over and over again.
I am old...I use the same password for everything. Using numerous passwords will having you forgetting and guessing at some point.
 
Hopefully this story will encourage everyone to review their internet security and to improve it if they need to.
@Wheels thank you for sharing your story here with us and I'm sorry that this has happened to you.

I hope also that you sharing your experience will prompt others to take action NOW and not wait any longer.

The two factor identification is a great advice.

Also some banks will allow you to set certain parameters so that the account holder will be notified via text as soon as a certain amount of money has left their account. Set the bar very low at for instance $1 and every time you use that credit or debit card/account to pay for something above that amount the bank will text and/or email you to let you know. This is another measure of protection but it does not prevent money leaving anyones bank account, just a good way to be made aware pretty much right away via text when a payment has taken place.
 
I am old...I use the same password for everything. Using numerous passwords will having you forgetting and guessing at some point.
So one hack and you have the issue that @Wheels did. Your call of course, but you are not secure. Far from it.

Have a friend or family member help to set you up. It really isn't that difficult once you get started.
 
A special thanks to @sgt_zim for taking the time to educate all of us here on AH with this truly valuable information. Much appreciate you caring and wanting to help the people of our great community.

Thank you also to all who have contributed in this thread, sometimes a bad story will help one to realize the importance of taking action for their own best interest.
 
@Wheels thank you for sharing your story here with us and I'm sorry that this has happened to you.

I hope also that you sharing your experience will prompt others to take action NOW and not wait any longer.

The two factor identification is a great advice.

Also some banks will allow you to set certain parameters so that the account holder will be notified via text as soon as a certain amount of money has left their account. Set the bar very low at for instance $1 and every time you use that credit or debit card/account to pay for something above that amount the bank will text and/or email you to let you know. This is another measure of protection but it does not prevent money leaving anyones bank account, just a good way to be made aware pretty much right away via text when a payment has taken place.

AH has been attacked so many times. You are definitely an expert at this now.

You are doing a great job of keeping AH up. I never realized how much you deal with and still don't. This has certainly been a wake up for me.
 
I am "the friend". Yes it is hard to believe that Royal has a friend, but we all pay our indulgences in different ways, mine is to be Royal's friend. ;)

I used the same id and password for my email and three financial accounts. I knew that wasn't smart but I was lazy.

A group of hackers took control of a financial institution a few weeks ago. The website was down but the sign in page remained up. I tried to sign in multiple times. That is how the hackers got my id and password. The hackers then started randomly using the id and password on financial institutions and major companies throughout the world. That is how they got into my email and three financial institutions.

While on vacation, another financial institution started sending me texts for password resets. I contacted them to lock down my account. This happened multiple times. I am pretty sure the hackers removed all funds from my account. I had followed up diligently with the financial company and the company was remiss. A new account was established and funds placed into the account, so I am fine but this could have ended very differently. I probably had 50+ hours tied up in getting this worked out.

The original financial institution that was hacked helped in a big way once I was able to get past the initial two levels of gatekeepers/customer service, but hackers had gotten in and sold assets to cash and were trying to get the cash out of the account. I am fortunate the account was a retirement account so the sell didn't trigger a taxable event.

The third financial account was basically empty. I haven't messed with it.

I have had my email for 25-30 years. I noticed while on vacation that some of my emails had been read that I hadn't looked at. After a couple of days, I couldn't even get into my email account. I contacted ATT but they weren't real helpful. They have three questions I had to answer.

1. What is the email address?
2. What is the name on the account?
3. What is the zip code?

The hacker changed the name on the account, even though my name was part of the email address. He also changed the zip code.

I have had the same name all my life.
I have had the same email for over 25 years.
I have had the same physical address and ip address for over 25 years.
I have had the same zip code for over 25 years.

ATT should be able to confirm this, but ATT doesn't care. I talked to 34 people with ATT for 15-15.5 hours. Basically they are saying the email is no longer mine. All my contacts are gone. Communications with family members that held family history are lost since the family members are dead. Personal info, etc. Just think what you may have on your own emails from 25+ years ago when security wasn't as big a deal. You get the idea.

The hackers tried to gain control of my phone and change the sms. Thankfully this didn't happen or they would have had access to change all 2F identification.

2Factor identification is something I did right. If you don't use 2 Factor identification then you should definitely use it. If not for 2F or sms, I would have been out significant amounts of money, at least significant for me. Also whitelist financial accounts so funds have to age a couple of days prior to being removed.

My daughter is in town. She helped me set up a password vault. I now remember one password. The rest are auto generated. I should be in much better shape now than I was before. I only did the main accounts, not everything I log in for. If "Wheels" goes off on AH and starts spouting more nonsense than usual, then you will know my AH account has been hacked. :ROFLMAO:

Hopefully this story will encourage everyone to review their internet security and to improve it if they need to.

@sgt_zim Now that I have a password vault, what happens if there is an emp? Do I need to keep a copy of the random generated passwords in a safe place somewhere or just trust that the password vault company is safe and will come back online when the rest of the internet gets back in service?
if we're blasted by an EMP, comms will be less reliable than they were before the Pony Express. You won't have to worry about all those accounts, because the data lines and servers where all that resides will be converted to blue smoke and ash.
 
I am old...I use the same password for everything. Using numerous passwords will having you forgetting and guessing at some point.

You are me two months ago.

If you don't use a password vault, at least make sure the important accounts have different id's and passwords. Like sgt zim said. Make sure they are at least 15 digits long.

You can do something like combining:
First pet name
First address of home you owned
Symbol above 1 on American keyboard

You might then get a password like

Sparky4219SWVirginiaCir!

Then for next account use the second of all above. This is in no ways full proof but may help you to have a system for remembering the passwords.
 
if we're blasted by an EMP, comms will be less reliable than they were before the Pony Express. You won't have to worry about all those accounts, because the data lines and servers where all that resides will be converted to blue smoke and ash.
That's what I was afraid of. Do you think the accounts will come back up with all the data backed up in a few years if an emp happens or do you think it is gone for good?
 
I second the idea on Multi-Factor Authentication (MFA or 2FA). If you can get set up with Duo (I think you can still create a personal account with them for free), Duo push is the simplest and most straightforward to use. You try to log in to some site you're protecting with MFA, Duo pushes a notification to you your Duo cell phone app with "Y/N" response buttons. "Y" and you're in,. and "N" means you needs to change that account's password. ;)

"YES" is a big green button, and "NO" is a big red button. Couldn't be easier.

Believe it or not, an MFA push like this is more secure than the vendor texting you One-Time Password (OTP) to enter onto their web page. If you can't use Duo for (https://duo.com) some reason, Google and MS both have "authenticator" apps which use rotating OTPs that change every 30 seconds or so. Also very secure.

Install the Google/MS authenticator, then go to the web site you want MFA for, and look for the "setting up mfa" link. Usually, your phone app just needs to take a snapshot of a 3D bar code presented by the web site for exactly this purpose. Very secure.

I end up paying for all the services I use because they always have features the free versions don't have, so I don't really know what's free anymore.

FWIW, I have Google and MS Authenticators for work and personal stuff, and for the stuff that's compatible, I used Duo (LastPass works with Duo for sure, that's how I get into my vault)
 
You are me two months ago.

If you don't use a password vault, at least make sure the important accounts have different id's and passwords. Like sgt zim said. Make sure they are at least 15 digits long.

You can do something like combining:
First pet name
First address of home you owned
Symbol above 1 on American keyboard

You might then get a password like

Sparky4219SWVirginiaCir!

Then for next account use the second of all above. This is in no ways full proof but may help you to have a system for remembering the passwords.
This systemic long form password is very handy.

I used to have to remember between 6-10 16+ character passwords for work. We couldn’t write them down or keep them in a password vault, and they had to be updated regularly.

This is what I used to help remember them all and it becomes quite second nature after a bit.
 
I second the idea on Multi-Factor Authentication (MFA or 2FA). If you can get set up with Duo (I think you can still create a personal account with them for free), Duo push is the simplest and most straightforward to use. You try to log in to some site you're protecting with MFA, Duo pushes a notification to you your Duo cell phone app with "Y/N" response buttons. "Y" and you're in,. and "N" means you needs to change that account's password. ;)

"YES" is a big green button, and "NO" is a big red button. Couldn't be easier.

Believe it or not, an MFA push like this is more secure than the vendor texting you One-Time Password (OTP) to enter onto their web page. If you can't use Duo for (https://duo.com) some reason, Google and MS both have "authenticator" apps which use rotating OTPs that change every 30 seconds or so. Also very secure.

Install the Google/MS authenticator, then go to the web site you want MFA for, and look for the "setting up mfa" link. Usually, your phone app just needs to take a snapshot of a 3D bar code presented by the web site for exactly this purpose. Very secure.

I end up paying for all the services I use because they always have features the free versions don't have, so I don't really know what's free anymore.

FWIW, I have Google and MS Authenticators for work and personal stuff, and for the stuff that's compatible, I used Duo (LastPass works with Duo for sure, that's how I get into my vault)

Great information and I agree. 2F saved my butt.
 
That's what I was afraid of. Do you think the accounts will come back up with all the data backed up in a few years if an emp happens or do you think it is gone for good?

Gone for good, I would imagine. Depends on what kind of backups (magnetic tape is one kind, and is susceptible to EMP), and also where everything is stored. If it is stored underground or is otherwise enclosed within some sort of Farrady Cage, it would be. But no idea who, if anybody besides the USG, does that.
 
Preach! I'm all-in on using a password manager now — seriously changed the game.
Used to be stuck in the "Password123" hell just like everyone else
Now? Random 20+ character strings, zero reuse, and peace of mind.


I went from “hope no one leaks my email” to “I don’t even know my own passwords anymore” bliss


Anybody else here make the switch recently? Curious how many folks are still flying solo with spreadsheets and sticky notes… (no shame, we’ve all been there)
 
What do your passwords look like?

In my mind there are two kinds of passwords you should use.

I probably have more than 400 online accounts...banks, BBS like this one, shopping, etc. I don't know a single one of those passwords.

For most people, there are probably only 2 passwords you should remember off the top of your head - the one you use to log on to your PC, and the one to your password vault. Note that MS Excel does NOT count as a password vault. If a malicious actor breaks into your PC, one of the very first things he's going to do is search for all files with a spreadsheet extension, like .xlsx, and all document extensions like .docx.

There are a number of password vaults (mostly free), but there are 2 in particular I'd urge you to consider, with pros and cons to follow.

Lastpass
there are both a free and subscription version. the subscription version allows you to share account info with other people on your lastpass account (like your spouse). The vault's interface is your web browser

Pros:
inexpensive/free - the paid version is about $20/year, I think, maybe less.
cloud-based - which means it is portable. you can log into their website from anywhere in the world, from any computer in the world, and fetch your account names and passwords
can be used to auto-generate random gibberish for passwords, with passwords as long as 50 characters
auto-fill feature, or copy/paste. this means that even if a malicious actor has installed a key logger on your PC, he won't be able to capture any of the account names or passwords you're using because you never type them

Cons:
cloud-based. malicious actors are constantly trying to break in. but the flip side to this is...these guys actually know what they're doing WRT protecting their data, so they're a much tougher nut to crack than you are

KeePass:
completely free

Pros:
not cloud-based. KeePass is an application you download and install on your PC.
can be used to auto-gen passwords to a very long length, greater than 50 characters as I recall
hackers have been trying to decrypt KeePass databases for years, but the key is randomly generated and very long. The compute power to decrypt the key doesn't exist.

Cons:
not cloud-based - if your laptop dies or is stolen, and you don't have a backup copy of the database, you're going to have to go to the trouble of setting new passwords for all of your online accounts. this can be mitigated by storing a backup copy of the database in OneDrive or Google Drive or DropBox, but that just means you're going to need to remember one more (hopefully very complex) password

so, on to the kind of passwords you should use which you'll actually remember.

I know we're all gun nuts here, but I'm going to make an example out of golf. Suppose you are an avid golfer, and you've got a set of Pings. You might come up with a password to reflect that. "I love to swing my pings" could be done this way as a password: eyeLuv2$w!ngmyPings. That is a VERY complex and long password, 19 characters. Assuming a bad guy knew your password was 19 characters long, and assuming he knew you used UPPER, lower, numerals 0-9, and special characters (there are 32 special characters available on an American English keyboard), there are 94^19 (26 UPPER, 26 lower, 10 numerals, 32 special characters) possible permutations.

94^19 ~= 30,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 different combinations of characters he'd have to go through to crack your password. Given current normal compute power, it would take longer than the universe has existed to go through every combination.

But more than likely, our bad guy has no idea how long your password is, and he'll probably assume it's only 8 or 10 characters long, and will probably only have UPPER, lower, and numerals, so only 62^8 or 62^10 permutations. For us, that's still quite a large number of permutations, but for a computer with current normal compute power, would probably only take a few hours or maybe a couple days to crack.

Come up with a reasonably long, complex, and memorable password to get into your PC, and another reasonably long and complex password to log into your password vault. For all the rest, use your vault to generate passwords to the greatest length a given website will allow. If a website will allow a 40 character password, then set your vault to generate a 40-character password combo of U, l, n, and spc. Preferably, the passwords for your PC and your password vaults are a minimum of 16 characters.

2-factor or multi-factor authentication (2FA or MFA)
Google and Microsoft, among others, support 2FA/MFA. You submit your account name and password, then they send a one-time passcode to your cell phone that you will need to type into the browser (doesn't matter if there's a key logger present here because this code is usually only good for about 5 or 10 minutes) to finish authentication. Using SMS is not ideal, but for non-corporate accounts, the risk is extremely low; so low as not to need worrying about.

Setting up MFA with reputable vendors like Google and MS is pretty easy, and only takes a couple minutes.

Digital security, like physical security, is a pain in the ass. But it is the world we live in. It would be nice if I didn't need to carry a set of keys with me everywhere I go - one for the house, one for the truck, one for the mail box, one for the office, one for the tonneau cover on my truck, one for my safe, one for my wife's car, one for my parents' house, one for my gun vault, locks for my Pelican gun case...
@sgt_zim My passwords Now look like the entire Alphabet followed by Roman Numerals, Chinese letters & Cave Drawings—— that’s just to Open my Emails!!
 
Thanks for this. I’ve used a couple vaults but it was a while back. My frustration was using them across multiple devices. Between work, personal, mobile, and desk top I have at least 6 devices that regularly access accounts. I’ve never had a vault that synced well across all of them. Does the cloud based one you recommend handle that?
 
Thanks for this. I’ve used a couple vaults but it was a while back. My frustration was using them across multiple devices. Between work, personal, mobile, and desk top I have at least 6 devices that regularly access accounts. I’ve never had a vault that synced well across all of them. Does the cloud based one you recommend handle that?
Yes, but for corporate use, you need to check with your IT/IT Security team to find out if it's allowed. Many companies maintain their own internal password vaults.

For my work-related accounts, even for SaaS applications that don't sync with my corporate Active Directory, I use a local vault - KeePass XC. We allow 1Password where I work, but I just don't like mingling work and personal accounts. Just one more layer of separation/security.
 
In case I didn't mention it, LastPass got hacked. I am now using 1Password for an online/cloud vault and KeePass XC for a local vault.
 
Yes, but for corporate use, you need to check with your IT/IT Security team to find out if it's allowed. Many companies maintain their own internal password vaults.

For my work-related accounts, even for SaaS applications that don't sync with my corporate Active Directory, I use a local vault - KeePass XC. We allow 1Password where I work, but I just don't like mingling work and personal accounts. Just one more layer of separation/security.
There is the rub. A lot of accounts that I need to log in to I need to access for personal and work reasons.

Take American Airlines for instance. I need to log in to book work trips while at the office also need to log in to book let’s personal travel. Same with Amazon.
 
There is the rub. A lot of accounts that I need to log in to I need to access for personal and work reasons.

Take American Airlines for instance. I need to log in to book work trips while at the office also need to log in to book let’s personal travel. Same with Amazon.
Check with corporate IT security to verify the policy. Our corporate policy allows for pretty much any vault to be used because we encourage all users to use password vaults.

I have the 1Password add-on in my browser on my work computer for just such occasions as you describe, but it rarely comes up. I'm not terribly concerned about using some of those personal accounts in a corporate environment because as a SME of a couple security tools, I know how robust our security and incident response is. I don't want anything at all work-related on my personal laptop.
 

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