@Hank2211 you have always been polite and calm with your replies, I respect that and value your opinion. Yes that is correct it is the case I referring to and I do see the similarities. "Led" came on here with controversy riding his coat tails, something about not having a license to PH, then something about copying a name,but you see the AH folks where very forgiving, maybe the price was right I don't know. Then the great hunt reports came until one day a bad one came from a very good and trusted AH senior member. Then there was a agent defending the outfitter tooth and nail along with a few others, but in the end the "lead" ran out. HH became known here becuase of controversy and a lie, Then the glowing reports, becuase the price was right, then one complaint by a member and sure enough a agent defending them tooth and nail with support from a few clients. To me the similarities are strikingly similar except for one thing and that is that "led" had the decency to fight his own battles.