Religions, Evolution and related Sciences

[Ridge Runner]

Reminiscent of the unit I was in in S.Carolina. We'd be in a formation marching somewhere and everyone was actually in-step, but one Marine "weaved" differently. If only the upper bodies were observed it appeared that he was out of step but watching the feet, everyone was in-step. The person marching us would get upset and yell to get in-step to which the Marine would respond that he WAS in-step. He just swayed differently when he walked.
The conversation is reminiscent of marching in that formation- but don't try to carry the analogy beyond a distant memory.

LOL....

We didn't march much, mainly PT formations. What very few dress parades we attended the enlisted would stay in step. The officers on the hand, was a comical different story. Thus the command round step march, or double time would be given.

 

[cwpayton]

A mother attends her son's graduation from basic training. As they march, she remarks "Oh look, everyone's out of step except my Johnny". There are millions of Johnnies carrying bibles and this thread is a testament to that.

Brillant statement, its clear you have much to contribute to the discussion about the age of the earth, please dont hold back , maybe you could explain the building technic of the paramids in egypt or reveal their purpose and function.

 

[cwpayton]

That is absolutely not true. First of all, that is not how the scientific method works. Secondly, your homework assignment is to look into the writings of geologists such as Kenneth B. Miller, Davis A. Young, and Adam Sedgwick. There are many others. Then there are the paleontologists such as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (discovered Peking Man), Mary Anning, Robert Bakker (former curator of the Houston Museum of Natural History and an ordained ecumenical Pentecostal minister -he must host some fascinating church discussions), Ken Campbell, and Mary Higby Schweitzer who discovered soft dinosaur tissue and who has often defended her both her faith and understanding of old earth against the modern uneducated young earth acolytes.

"OF course if your mind is locked in, then , theres no debate"

That statement actually captures my point with respect to biblical literalists almost perfectly. How can one have a debate when the only evidence offered by literalists is the BIBLE, as they interpret it - or don't confuse me with three hundred years of scientific research.

With respect to geologic folds and strata in the Grand Canyon or anywhere else, this pre-geology 101 sort of information. They are formed by deep substrata pressure, colliding tectonic plates, and layers of both volcanic and sedimentary layers. Other than sediment the strata have nothing to do with surface activity such as floods. This is not an opinion.

Grand Canyon’s Three Sets of Rocks (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

Cmon General ,you can do better than the "national parks " reference for data . , not giving homework assignments either just ,references of which Dr Donald DeYoung and Dr Henry Morris would be preeminent.
SO my question is was man created or did he evolve from some other animal, and if so where did that animal come from? I suppose that part of Genesis is also up to the national park service to explain.

 

[Aaron N]

 

[Red Leg]

Cmon General ,you can do better than the "national parks " reference for data . , not giving homework assignments either just ,references of which Dr Donald DeYoung and Dr Henry Morris would be preeminent.
SO my question is was man created or did he evolve from some other animal, and if so where did that animal come from? I suppose that part of Genesis is also up to the national park service to explain.

Tried to provide you with something basic. This really is not debatable geologic history. A host of far more detailed explanations are at your fingertips via google.

Man was created through the miracle of evolution. The precise development of humans to our current Cro-Magnon form is still being mapped, but the development itself really isn't a questionable scientific theory any longer. At some point in the process, the creator gave us the means to understand our existence - our life and eventual death. That is an awareness no other species on the planet has.

To me, whether that was two specific individuals who first gained that awareness or a gradual understanding by our species is irrelevant. The majesty is God's intelligent design is at work in either case.

I find it particularly compelling that we have found Neanderthal remains (not even our same species) from 40,000 years ago where burials were completed with the inclusion of artifacts - a clear anticipation of an afterlife and God's clear influence on our developing perception of something beyond the physical now.

I simply find it the height of ignorance and arrogance to reject the burgeoning evidence of a far broader and more complex design of creation than that of a 16th century literalist interpretation of the Bible. After all, if God is in fact God, should we be surprised that his design for our world is somewhat more complex than what men could comprehend through their cultural stories 3500 years ago.

 

[Ray B]

the creator gave us the means to understand our existence - our life and eventual death. That is an awareness no other species on the planet has.

I disagree on the point that the individual has an awareness of its impending death is unique to humans. Having grown-up in the meat business from ranch to killfloor to retail, While I couldn't know what the animals were thinking, it was clear, particularly with the older bulls, that they would have preferred to have been elsewhere.