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Unfortunately, honest debate, employing facts, about this subject was almost impossible in this country prior to the woke movement. Now, a journalist can't cite a truthful observation without being accused of race baiting or dog whistling. The same sort of collective cognitive dissonance avoidance is at work across much of Europe as well meaning governments attempt to deal with obvious assimilation crises.
That is actually quite funny.

The originating article was suggesting something improper about calling these offenders young people, which they were. He was complaining about a truthful observation, that was even made on Fox!

Instead he wants to substitute "black mobs".

Yup, how could that be spreading race hate? Can't imagine that.

Good of you to step up and defend the anonymous guy who wants to race bait on a site that has already been deplatformed by Google for racism problems. Good investment on your part.
 
I hate to tell you but, yes you are a Liberal. You were the only one that got triggered by a post. If you watched the news, you would have known the makeup of the MOB. But if descriptive words send you into a two page diatribe you are Liberal.
I guess you didn't read the article then Boyd.

The article was the author complaining about the media calling the criminals "young" rather than a black mob.

He actually published a piece on his outrage about the descriptive words. Does that make him a liberal?
 
I’m saying that in the comparison of white Americans living below the poverty line and black Americans living below the poverty line, the incidence of violent crimes is still significantly higher among the black population.

Sorry if that doesn’t fit into your idea of a colorblind world.

Read up on it. Take the time and see what is out there
 
Petty crime (shoplifting, etc) and poverty might be linked (Stat's can prove any point). But violent crime is not. The problem is no father in the house to kick the kids ass growing up. If you don't straighten out a kid before 12, you're not going to. And once an adult, he will be living in time out.
So let me get this right. You are claiming that violent crime is not linked to poverty?

Seriously?
 
I’m saying that in the comparison of white Americans living below the poverty line and black Americans living below the poverty line, the incidence of violent crimes is still significantly higher among the black population.

Sorry if that doesn’t fit into your idea of a colorblind world.

Read up on it. Take the time and see what is out there
I am very familiar with the research on it.

If you control just for race the gap between the groups shrinks substantially.

If you control for concentrated poverty (black poor are more likely to live in large urban ghettos and poor whites are more likely to live near better economic zones) the differences are insignificant.

Poverty is a driver of crime.

Do you suggest there is something inherent in black Americans that makes them more likely to be criminal?
 
So let me get this right. You are claiming that violent crime is not linked to poverty?

Seriously?
Yes. Murder usually has some relationship, Family, friends. Some is booze or drug fueled. Some is to avoid a divorce and lose money or kids. Granted some is certainly gang related but gang does not equate to poverty.

Assaults usually have some relationship. Sometimes there not one. Sexual assault, again some type of relationship for the majority.

Robbery you might be able to make a statistical connection to poverty as those are usually stop and rob convenience stores.
 
I'm sure a tranny will be well received in a men's prison.....LOL.

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I am very familiar with the research on it.

If you control just for race the gap between the groups shrinks substantially.

If you control for concentrated poverty (black poor are more likely to live in large urban ghettos and poor whites are more likely to live near better economic zones) the differences are insignificant.

Poverty is a driver of crime.

Do you suggest there is something inherent in black Americans that makes them more likely to be criminal?
I’m saying that there is something inherent in black Americans that makes them more likely to be criminal. Yes. That’s not a typo

Black culture in America. Machismo. Poverty. Dissing. ( Can’t believe that’s an issue , but it is.). Lack of positive role models AT HOME. American’s acceptance of unacceptable behavior. All contribute.

I don’t know where you live. I grew up in a town that was majority black. But WTF do I know?

I can play a mean game of basketball. I’m sure you’ll be offended by that as well.

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps… then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

The Right Reverend JJ
 
Well he can see they are young and the author suggested media were up to something because they used that descriptor instead of race.

As I said above, if there is a fight between white guys should be be talking about "white mobs"?

If the author is educated he knows that crime better aligns with poverty than race. But for some reason he thinks race is the part that should be reported. If they mostly wearing running shoes why not call them a Nike mob? If they have short hair are they a crew cut mob?

At least shoes and hair involve choice or culture.

Nor does he say...oh it's about men. Because the vast majority of the people in the fight are men. So it was a male mob right?

Maleness and violence are more strongly connected than race. But it is a "black mob" right?
Wake up.
 
Good of you to step up and defend the anonymous guy who wants to race bait on a site that has already been deplatformed by Google for racism problems. Good investment on your part.

Zero Hedge was deplatformed during Covid because the quant guys showed the all-cause mortality rate data was problematic, wuhan leak had supporting evidence, and data from Dr. McCullough warranted closer looks. They were black balled by the administration for causing "vaccine hesitancy" or as those articles are now known, "100% Factually Correct".

By the way, Tyler Durden is a nom de plume. He's a minority author that is a math-centric quant guy in Chicago affiliated with CME Group trading.
 
There will always be a bottom 20%. But the condition of the bottom 20% can vary massively.

It's kind of hard to argue that there is a lack of consequences in a country with a top five incarceration rate in the world. You guys have lots of prisons and they are plenty full. That suggests there are lots of consequences.
No consequences in the household when young. That’s the issue that later leads to prison but it’s too late then. I thought this was obvious.
 
No consequences in the household is a big factor but also the wrong role models, gangster rap gave a rise to several generations of “artists” that should never of been emulated.

Somewheres out in the wilds of YouTube there is a clip showing Charlie Kirk in an argument with a white collage girl or “karen kitten” (Karen kitten noun has not yet asked to speak to her first manager but will eagerly force her views on Palestine on you)

When asked if she would rather a black youth look up to Kendrick Lamar or Clarance Thomas she strongly advocated Kendrick. I would think that highlights the problem not only are black youths turning to the wrong role models but others are I encouraging them too.
 
offenders young people, which they were
wants to substitute "black mobs".
They were both, this is just an observation. You wanting them called young doesnt make you an age-ist (not sure what you call age discrimination)

Just because someone see something for what it is, doesnt make it racist, doesnt make them want to take rights away or say they arent equal, this is a great exaggeration.

You keep saying poverty poverty poverty, but what is your solution? Pretty much anyone can get a job, a college education and section 8 housing covers 90% of the housing costs. Again I am sure how you solve the bottom 20% issue since it is a math issue, you are just moving the poverty needle.
 
What about the brawl in Wrigley last night
 
That is actually quite funny.

The originating article was suggesting something improper about calling these offenders young people, which they were. He was complaining about a truthful observation, that was even made on Fox!

Instead he wants to substitute "black mobs".

Yup, how could that be spreading race hate? Can't imagine that.

Good of you to step up and defend the anonymous guy who wants to race bait on a site that has already been deplatformed by Google for racism problems. Good investment on your part.
You can't even debate the underlying issue can you? You have to again turn to the race baiting terminology assertion to try and silence those who are actually attempting to discuss it. The group of young people were indeed black. That in and of itself is different than a "group of young people." Their behaviour was certainly mob-like. How would you refer to them - boisterous? Not only does race blind terminology not make them any less black, but worse it seeks to ignore, even silence, understanding of what are a number of significant underlying problems.

So let me offer that I agree that the sentencing guidelines during the "war on drugs" fell hardest on much of the black urban community. My question would be what was it about the black urban community that caused this to happen? I would suggest that the collapse of black family culture in this country was a significant precipitating reality that contributed greatly to those eventual incarcerations. Read some of Gutman's research which demonstrated the importance of strong, legalized families to blacks for several generations during and after Reconstruction. In fact, between the late 19th century and the 1950's black marriage rates were occasionally higher than those of whites. The vast majority of black children were raised in two parent households in those decades.

A host of other issues are at play as well. I would argue deindustrialization of the US, particularly cities like Detroit, was a meaningful contributing factor as well. Charles Murray is a racist boogie man to many on the left because of his book, "The Bell Curve. Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life " I am confident none of those yelling loudest have actually read it. It was co-authored by Richard Herrnstein.

His conclusions were about cognitive stratification - not race. However, the conclusions were uncomfortable, however apparent, and the liberal, and particularly black, reviewers howled racism and compared it in one case to "Mein Kampf." His primary conclusion was that 20th century American society had transitioned into a true meritocracy where intelligence (measured by IQ/AFQT scores) became the single strongest predictor of economic success, educational attainment, and social status—more influential than parental socioeconomic background. High IQ individuals were concentrating in elite professions or achieving elite success even in trades while lower IQ individuals were increasingly left behind driving social problems like chronic poverty, crime, out-of-wedlock births, and welfare dependency.

His earlier 1984 work "Losing Ground" had far greater impact on public policy in this country. Much of it dealt with the unintended and largely negative consequences of great expansion of the social safety net during the 1960's. Both democrats and republicans credited it with shaping the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 - the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. Sadly, over the long term and through politically driven executive decisions, the positive effects of the act have largely failed.

I reiterate, having honest forthright discussion about the actual underlying causes of the social collapse of much of Black society in this country is imperative. Violent crime is an outgrowth of that collapse. Simply letting such criminals back onto the streets is clearly proving not an option. Until we do, and no matter how one attempts to normalize the data, we will continue to face the reality that somewhere around 30% of all violent crime and 50% of murders across this nation are being committed by just 14% of the population.
 
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I do think the Alberta oil should be paid for at a reasonable price by the USA. We are.practically giving it away.
 
I do think the Alberta oil should be paid for at a reasonable price by the USA. We are.practically giving it away.
It's not West Texas Intermediate crude.
 
I do think the Alberta oil should be paid for at a reasonable price by the USA. We are.practically giving it away.

We should be refining it in Canada for the domestic market , worst thing we did is let the energy east project flounder.
 
I am not a far right MAGA racist, but I am far from liberal.

I guess opposing racism is not "conservative" to you?

Personally I prefer rooibis tea.
Look out everyone. Page 1, Topic 1 of the liberal (err, "not liberal leaning") playbook has been issued: the Racist card. Anyone who disagrees with the talking point at hand is a far-right racist MAGA.
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There are plenty of racists, and more importantly a vast majority of not racist people, on both sides and everywhere along the middle of the political spectrum.
 
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