Mark Sullivan the Expose’

[HankBuck]

Point of order. On the Hippo charges I saw in the Sullivan videos they were all on land and completely messed up. The Hippo was on land, ornery as can be, suffering from some puncture or slash wound from another hippo. As such, they are sunburned and miserable, yet they cannot go to the water because of a prior wound unrelated to the hunter. This is a common reason to find Hippos on land rather than in the water.

I have no dog in this hunt, but Sullivan is no special magician, he's finding hippos on terra firma for the same reasons we usually do. Chasing them back to water, then forcing them to charge back to the land in this circumstance is all about ego, not about a quick death for the animal.

To the secular humanists reading this, make up your own morality and feel free to love or hate his treatment of his quarry. However, to the followers of western religion Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, I'd remind you that one of the core tenants of the faiths is that we are superior to animals because of our desire to reduce suffering.

Sullivan is the antithesis of the notion of expeditious effort to reduce suffering. Put another way, according to the people of the book, his conduct is unwholesome and animalistic.

@rookhawk - CONGRATULATIONS on finding a way to bring RELIGION into this thread AND You were able to include 3 different religions at that !! Now we can enjoy even more self righteous experts on Ethics AND Religion ——ALL in one Thread``. Maybe there is a “Divine” presence taking over because most of those expressing strong opinions have Never even met MS - but seem to be All Knowing and omnipotent.

 

[rookhawk]

@rookhawk - CONGRATULATIONS on finding a way to bring RELIGION into this thread AND You were able to include 3 different religions at that !! Now we can enjoy even more self righteous experts on Ethics AND Religion ——ALL in one Thread``. Maybe there is a “Divine” presence taking over because most of those expressing strong opinions have Never even met MS - but seem to be All Knowing and omnipotent.

Sullivan was the first to introduce religion, a weird sort of “animalistic” version where one conflates the fight or flight response of animals into a false cognitive decision making. No animal decides how they’d prefer to die, contrary to Sullivan’s ethos and all we know about how animals think.

His willingness to elongate the suffering of an animal is incompatible with western religion.

 

[Muting the Goat]

See post #325

I read through this whole thread. Not one of your comments made any sense. Not one.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

I read through this whole thread. Not one of your comments made any sense. Not one.

Probably a comprehension issue

 

[Muting the Goat]

Probably a comprehension issue

No, I assure you, it's not.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

No, I assure you, it's not.

I’m deeply hurt . I see you deleted the millennial insult lol

 

[CZDiesel]

I have just watched a half dozen safari videos on YouTube this weekend and most half of them had horrible shots on game! The last one the client put eight rounds through his double and the PH another two on a Bull Elephant. That Elephant took multiple bad shots to the skull and body and they chased it through the bush a ways before finding it still alive but down…
Tell me again how Mark Sullivan is cruel by waiting five to ten seconds and then administering a quick death!?!?!
Yeah right smh

 

[375Fox]

I have just watched a half dozen safari videos on YouTube this weekend and most half of them had horrible shots on game! The last one the client put eight rounds through his double and the PH another two on a Bull Elephant. That Elephant took multiple bad shots to the skull and body and they chased it through the bush a ways before finding it still alive but down…
Tell me again how Mark Sullivan is cruel by waiting five to ten seconds and then administering a quick death!?!?!
Yeah right smh

Are there any Mark Sullivan elephant videos? I can only imagine how an ego driven elephant hunt would unfold.

 

[CZDiesel]

Are there any Mark Sullivan elephant videos? I can only imagine how an ego driven elephant hunt would unfold.

I can see you have MSDS lol

 

[375Fox]

I can see you have MSDS lol

I can see you are a member of the MS cult. I am not. He has no qualities I look for in selecting a PH.

 

[CZDiesel]

I can see you are a member of the MS cult. I am not.

Because you don’t know him, have never talked to him, never hunted with him, have never talked to anyone that has known him, never talked to someone that hunted with him, and I could go on!
But you are an authority on him aren’t you! I’m in no Cult, he’s a friend from Arizona for over 35yrs!
But then I don’t have TDS and MSDS like you! I don’t cast rocks but you sure do dont you!

 

[375Fox]

Because you don’t know him, have never talked to him, never hunted with him, have never talked to anyone that has known him, never talked to someone that hunted with him, and I could go on!
But you are an authority on him aren’t you! I’m in no Cult, he’s a friend from Arizona for over 35yrs!
But then I don’t have TDS and MSDS like you! I don’t cast rocks but you sure do dont you!

You avoided the question earlier. Have you ever hunted Africa? I can respect his ability with a double rifle that’s it. His hunting ethics are highly questionable.

 

[CZDiesel]

You avoided the question earlier. Have you ever hunted Africa? I can respect his ability with a double rifle that’s it. His hunting ethics are highly questionable.

That’s well known but yet has nothing to do with Mark. I feel sorry for you, you need a life! You’ve been on AH for four years less than I have but yet posted five times as much? Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands to comment about everything SMH
All this time on here and yet you don’t support the site? Can’t afford $100 for all the talk?

 

[375Fox]

That’s well known but yet has nothing to do with Mark. I feel sorry for you, you need a life! You’ve been on AH for four years less than I have but yet posted five times as much? Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands to comment about everything SMH
All this time on here and yet you don’t support the site? Can’t afford $100 for all the talk?

Mark is clearly your African hunting idol. Maybe you’ll have a different view when you hunt Africa the first time.

 

[CZDiesel]

Mark is clearly your African hunting idol. Maybe you’ll have a different view when you hunt Africa the first time.

 

[TOBY458]

Don’t y’all get enough arguing in on the politics forum?

 

[HankBuck]

I can see you are a member of the MS cult. I am not. He has no qualities I look for in selecting a PH.

@375Fox - Now, you wait until NOW to declare you are NOT in the “MS Cult”? (As though your 50+ previous Posts didn’t make that OBVIOUS???). Glad we got that cleared up —- it’s one thing we agree on. [actually we agree on a lot - just Not in this thread]

 

[Altitude sickness]

I have no idea if all of the many YouTube videos are representative of all hunts. Or if for some reason a high percentage of filmed hunts seem to involve A LOT of lead being used on animals.

I have just watched a half dozen safari videos on YouTube this weekend and most half of them had horrible shots on game! The last one the client put eight rounds through his double and the PH another two on a Bull Elephant. That Elephant took multiple bad shots to the skull and body and they chased it through the bush a ways before finding it still alive but down…
Tell me again how Mark Sullivan is cruel by waiting five to ten seconds and then administering a quick death!?!?!
Yeah right smh

 

[Red Leg]

Interesting article in African Hunter from 1994. It largely consists of an interview of Mark Sullivan defending himself from his critics. It also contains the letter @rookhawk was good enough to publish. I actually watched much of the video of the South African CBL (nowhere declared) lion hunt to which he and his critics refer. From my perspective it is one of the most cringe worthy "hunting" productions I have ever seen - but that is just my personal view.

These are a couple of interesting statements and statistics from the article.

From Mark's perspective, he seemingly has an interesting and uniquely incompetent clientele. Wonder if this observation includes any of his loyalists here?

"It is not necessary to do this (wound game). Clients are more than capable of wounding them without me telling them to do so. If I offered one million dollars to a client to put his bullet into the shoulder of a buffalo I could go for many seasons and over a hundred buffalo before I would have to pay out."

At another point, the author notes that as of the articles date Mark had guided the taking of 46 buffalo and experienced eight charges. That is a rather remarkable 17%. Must be those clients.

Another of his comments.

“Do I like a one-shot, dead-in-your-tracks shot? Absolutely no. I hate it. The hunt is over before it ever begins. I have always said the hunt for Cape buffalo begins with the first drop of blood. Shooting an unwounded, feeding bull is not dangerous game. It is killing. Hunting is when you pick up the spoor immediately, without waiting for an hour for the buffalo to stiffen, and upon finding the bull, walk up and let him decide how he is to die.

There is a lot in the discussion I find more than problematic. The whole fear issue is one I find particularly troubling. He is not the first person I have encountered who seems caught up in proving their own bravado.

I would suggest simply reading his responses and drawing your own conclusions.

AHC#18 Mark Sullivan Part II | african-hunter

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[Altitude sickness]

"It is not necessary to do this (wound game). Clients are more than capable of wounding them without me telling them to do so. If I offered one million dollars to a client to put his bullet into the shoulder of a buffalo I could go for many seasons and over a hundred buffalo before I would have to pay out."

Is he still working? If so, I am booking immediately. IF he will honor that 1 million dollar challenge.

Even though 1 million doesn’t buy what it did in 1994. My wife and I have never shot more than once at Buffalo. And zero rounds were fired by any PH at our Buffalo.
Not even an insurance shot was needed. All, deader than a buzzards dinner when we walked up. Archery or Rife.

Granted the sample size is only 4 Buffalo. But I wouldn’t shoot if it’s not a dead bull. I would even go with odds and lay my own money down. Against his challenge.

Is this a shoulder ?