@Altitude sicknessHunter-Habib,
Sir, I appreciate you defending a friend. That is honorable of you. Especially since you are outnumbered.
I’m sure I’m in the majority when I say that you defend him and make your argument in a nice respectful way. And your reputation is solid and can not be questioned by defending him. Most people will not stand up against a group even for a friend.
“not a single one of them ever accused him of unnecessarily shooting their game. Not a single one.”
Could it be that those clients would not want to brag that the mighty beast was finished by someone else. Or that is what they have learned to accept when hunting with him?
Or are you saying he does not do that anymore?
Well I honestly don’t know if anyone would call hogs dangerous game.Maybe to you. I’ll ask how many dangerous game animals you have hunted? It seems many holding this idea or admiring Mark Sullivan have hunted Africa the least. I go to see new areas, new hunting styles, hunt everything the area has, and obviously a great trophy. The decision to hunt “dangerous game” because it’s dangerous at times has never been a consideration.
@Altitude sickness - AGREE, How can you hate someone you’ve never met? And even if you met them - they’ve Never done anything “too you”. I don’t believe anyone really Hates a Stranger but some make strong declarations and push a Know-it-All point of view, they hide behind words like “ethics” that have no clear definition other then “personal opinion”. And they want to be Noticed on a Forum like AH. I believe that most of the guys on this forum would be fun to hunt with and a great time in Camp, a few are the Real Deal but most just average Hunters — good guys wanting to do more and learn more. I hope I keep learning and will try to be one of the “good guys” in Camp.I’m sure your making a joke.But I would hope no one hates either. Dislike or disagree but not Hate
I haven't hunted any yet so my opinion is just theoretical.Maybe to you. I’ll ask how many dangerous game animals you have hunted? It seems many holding this idea or admiring Mark Sullivan have hunted Africa the least. I go to see new areas, new hunting styles, hunt everything the area has, and obviously a great trophy. The decision to hunt “dangerous game” because it’s dangerous at times has never been a consideration.
I had two buddies packing a caribou out of the caribou hills, both very experienced. They ran into a sow on the trail. She charged so fast there was no chance for a shot. She rode my buddy as he slid down the mountain shredding his pack. The other fellow had the presence of mind to dump off the mountain so that he was shooting up into the bear. Miraculously they were both unhurt.View attachment 692700View attachment 692701
During the COVID Alaska nonresident hunting closure in May 2020, I was unable to guide brown bear hunters on the Alaskan Peninsula. Instead, I was invited up to help a longtime friend and colleague, whom I had guided for, Scott N., get a bear for himself in SE Alaska on Chichagof Island, one of the famous ABC Islands for brown bears (Admiralty, Baranof and Chichagof). The bears in SE Alaska don’t get quite as big as the bears on the Alaskan Peninsula but it is a great hunt. Scott N. is retired now from guiding and sold his business to another outfitter I have worked for, Keegan McCarthy.
Scott N. had not shot a bear for himself since 1987 so he invited me up to help him get one since we had nothing else to do. I got permission from the Governor (a hunter who has been in our camp) and the Alaska Department of Health to quarantine on Scott’s boat for 14 days as long as I went straight from the airport to the boat. We took Scott’s boat from Petersburg all the way up to a honey hole great spot we knew about on Chichagof Island and I spotted this great bear that we took as we were surrounded by several bears.
It was a bit unnerving to be amongst several bears at close quarters, especially because Scott was horribly attacked and mauled by a wounded brown bear that had been shot twice with a 375 H&H Mag by Scott’s client and once by Scott with his Sako 416 Rem Mag. Scott followed the bear into the forest and then got another shot at 10 yards into the charging wounded bear before it mauled him. The Sako’s bolt malfunctioned and Scott couldn’t cycle another round. He kept the bear away from his head and face by shoving the rifle into the bear’s mouth. The bear tore at his hands, thighs and feet but never got his head. Scott later had several surgeries to repair his hands and a foot that had been shredded. He is fully recovered and now runs a charter flight service out of Petersburg with his Beaver aircraft. I tell this story because no person in his right mind should ever think or suggest provoking a charge from a wounded brown bear. To say something to that effect is just ignorance and braggadocio bravado. I’ve been in this industry the exact same time as Mark but I did grow up hunting and my grandfather and father taught me to have respect for animals and to dispatch wounded animals at first opportunity. Mark missed those lessons and his first hunt ever was in Tanzania.
Not exactly. The rifle was a Sako Finnbear.Thanks for sharing I remember reading about this I believe around the time I either went or was preparing for my Alaskan grizzly hunt in 2004, although I could be wrong, so long ago. If my memory is correct, he was using a Sako TRGS 416 Rem Mag, a push feed now discontinued and tracked the wounded brown bear alone after having been wounded by his client, brave man indeed, and short stroked it after getting a shot into the bear before it mauled him. I was glad to hear he recovered. I’m pretty sure this was it as not many Alaskan guides carried a Sako 416 Rem.
I helped my guide skin my grizzly, took about 2 hours, sound about right?
Thanks for sharing this detailed account Scott, truly 30 seconds of pure terror. I enjoyed reading true life encounters of when things go wrong when hunting DG or just attacks on humans interacting with DG while I was first preparing for my first African DG hunt and then later my Alaskan grizzly hunt. It gives you a healthy respect for the DG animal you are pursuing and makes one want to prepare much as possible for a successful outcome.Not exactly. The rifle was a Sako Finnbear.
After running out of cover during the stalk and while Scott was crawling to get a better angle, the bear saw something and came to investigate. The client then shot the bear frontal without checking with Scott first or with Scott's approval. The client emptied his rifle and Scott also got off some shots while the bear was running towards the woods. There was good blood so Scott told the client to wait on the beach because you need to enter the woods silently and try to kill the bear before it hears or sees you and charges. It's a wet, slippery, thick and noisy environment and hard to stay silent with another person along. Scott told the hunter to enter the woods only if he heard Scott yelling. At first the spoor was in somewhat open woods but then it took a hard 90 degree turn into some thicker cover. The bear was waiting and must have seen Scott and immediately charged. Scott heard a branch snap and he took the rifle off safe. Scott heard more branches breaking and got a good shot off when the bear exited the heavy cover at full speed at 10 feet! When he pulled the bolt back to reload and was tackled by the bear, it short stroked and/or somehow the bolt and firing pin malfunctioned and he could not get it closed again no matter how hard he tried. From then on the rifle was just something to put in the bears mouth. The hunter heard Scott's shot and screams but got scared and went back to the skiff, a ways down the beach. Scott's 18 year-old nephew waiting with the skiff took the hunter's gun and headed in Scott's direction.
During the fight, the bear finally got sick enough and sat down on its haunches, like a dog sits. Scott broke protocol and decided to get up and run/hobble on his shredded foot towards the beach because he didn't think there was another option. The hunter did not come to his aid and Scott was not carrying a sidearm, something that he changed going forward. Luckily, the bear did not chase him and Scott made it to the beach, called the Coast Guard on his handheld marine radio and passed out. His left foot was badly mangled and a chunk was missing from his left thigh, just missing the femoral artery but he still lost a lot of blood from all the wounds. His nephew found Scott and a helo arrived to fly him out. The next day, his nephew, the client, a State Trooper and a Forest Ranger found the bear dead where Scott last saw it and they retrieved Scott's shredded boot and other articles.
You can hear about it here:
I have never stated that I believe that Mark or his clients have wounded game on purpose to provoke a charge. Who would do such a thing?!?! I do not believe Mark would do it.@Scott CWO
I’ve read your post thoroughly (and judging by the fact that you “Liked” them, I’m guessing that you also read mine). Your dislike towards Mark appears to mostly stem from three things (if I’m not mistaken):
1) You don’t like the way he talks, which you (and many others) interpret as bragging.
2) You consider that he takes far too much time in between shots to give the game a quick death humanely.
3) You believe that he deliberately shoots his client’s game.
Okay.
In regards to point 1, there’s nothing that I can or should say which can counter this. I myself (in a previous post on this very thread) stated that I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says (that would be the understatement of the year).
In regards to point 2, again there’s nothing which I can or should say which can counter this. A hunter can always look at another hunter’s video and consider that far too much time was wasted between shots. Being subjected to individual morality based scrutiny comes with the territory of making hunting videos.
But in regards to point 3, I’m afraid that my way of looking at things is not the same as yours. Mark’s clients are all wealthy people (many of whom know each other). And they don’t accumulate that kind of money by being stupid. If he was actually making a habit of shooting client’s game in situations where THE CLIENTS THEMSELVES considered it to be unnecessary… then, he soon wouldn’t be able to get new clients the way that he does. Out of ALL of Mark’s actual clients (both current & former) whom I’ve interacted with over the years (and I’m fortunate enough to be close to three of them), not a single one of them ever accused him of unnecessarily shooting their game. Not a single one.
Okay, I’ll share one piece of confidential information about one of the clients (who I unfortunately can’t share the name of for obvious reasons). There was one client (that I know of) who just wanted a hippopotamus. He initially did try to hunt the hippopotamus himself (and recalls that Mark genuinely did try his best to get the client to bag the game by himself). But for certain physical limitations, he just couldn’t . Finally, Mark did shoot that hippopotamus for him (at the client’s consent). Some portions of that hunt appeared in one of Mark’s 1990s videos. That client is actually a member of these forums, although he specifically asked that I leave his name out of this.
You do have many solid reasons for disliking Mark. I can’t deny or disprove that. But I will conclude my post with two points:
1) Like him or hate him, he (as per HIS OWN WORDS) never shot ANY game game animal specifically with the intention to wound them in order to provoke a charge. As his critic, you might not believe his claim.. As his friend, I do. Yes, he provoked a few charges by other means (as per his own admission) and I suppose that you (and several other fellow hunters) might still consider that to be unethical. But he never wounded anything in order to instigate a charge.
2) Regardless of what he SAID/SAYS about provoking bear charges, the fact of the matter is that out of all the bears he’s shot in his life so far (I can get you the exact number if you wish)… only ONE was actually ever shot during a charge. And that one genuinely wasn’t Mark’s fault (as corroborated by a mutual friend of ours who was with him).
Is this enough to get you to develop a less negative opinion of Mark ? Probably not. And I don’t expect it to either. But just like it’s your moral duty to call out potentially unethical sporting behavior by other hunters, it’s also my moral duty to lend any insight regarding Mark which might make his critics see him in a more three dimensional light. Not necessarily a more positive light. But a more three dimensional light.
Sorry, I missed your skinning question. Yes, it takes me about two hours to skin a big bear without leaving much fat on the hide. I hate carrying fat and big bears have lots of fat! Obviously, it can take longer on a steep slope or in a bog. In May of 2024 in Alaska, I skinned and carried out three big bears in six days. I was whooped! The last one died in a bog in ankle deep mucky water just before dark and I bet that one took three to four hours. The fun ends when the bear dies and after the pictures are taken!Thanks for sharing I remember reading about this I believe around the time I either went or was preparing for my Alaskan grizzly hunt in 2004, although I could be wrong, so long ago. If my memory is correct, he was using a Sako TRGS 416 Rem Mag, a push feed now discontinued and tracked the wounded brown bear alone after having been wounded by his client, brave man indeed, and short stroked it after getting a shot into the bear before it mauled him. I was glad to hear he recovered. I’m pretty sure this was it as not many Alaskan guides carried a Sako 416 Rem.
I helped my guide skin my grizzly, took about 2 hours, sound about right?
No worries, that was a workout for sure with the hide and head attached with skull way over 100 lbs. A lot of folks don’t know you have to be damn careful not to cut yourself while skinning a bear and getting a horrible bacterial infection. I think I’d wear Kevlar gloves maybe if I was a bear guide, I was always nicking myself when skinning deer even with rubber gloves and after hearing and reading about “bear finger” I was extra careful skinning black bear!Sorry, I missed your skinning question. Yes, it takes me about two hours to skin a big bear without leaving much fat on the hide. I hate carrying fat and big bears have lots of fat! Obviously, it can take longer on a steep slope or in a bog. In May of 2024 in Alaska, I skinned and carried out three big bears in six days. I was whooped! The last one died in a bog in ankle deep mucky water just before dark and I bet that one took three to four hours. The fun ends when the bear dies and after the pictures are taken!
Why we hunt dangerous game, is a question I wouldnt be able to answer in short, or I wouldnt be able to answer at all.The main allure of hunting "dangerous game" is the "danger" that the hunter may become the quarry.
Denying this would be dishonest.
For certain dangerous game animals such a lion, leopard or tiger, there is also no culinary value in hunting them so it is either to protect (people, livestock, or their own population) or it is sport.
“So, why do we hunt Africa at all?”Why we hunt dangerous game, is a question I wouldnt be able to answer in short, or I wouldnt be able to answer at all.
Just to put it in perspective:
So, far I hunted only one cape buffalo, and from initial purchase of the 375 rifle till actual hunt it was 4 year project.
I was looking for acceptable bolt action rifle in 375, for two years prior - and in that case this was 6 year project, and certainly it was not on impusle, because it required years of continued focus, commitment, planning and preparations.
The timeline:
My second safari was in 2018 on plains game, then over a "bush telegraph" and camp fire stories I got a hint and idea of hunting cape buffalo. Then I started looking for 375 which I bought 2 years later, in 2020. There is not much DG guns around where I live, so to find the rifle was challenge by itself.
I took buffalo in Caprivi with my rifle in 2024. Corona lock downs stopped all efforts for one year in 2021, and before buffalo hunt I went for eland in 2022 when chance appeared.
Never loosing the sight and vision, for 6 years till I pulled the trigger on that buffalo
But where the motivation comes from, I dont know. It is chasing the vision.
Why do we hunt, at all? For culinary value?
When we can all buy chicken and meat in the store?
I could do well by buying a t-bone steaks in local butchery, not needing to hunt buffalo actually to get the steak.
As for African safari:
Yes, some animals have "culinary value" and some not. But we as a visiting hunters cannot bring meat home at all.
So, why do we hunt in Africa at all?