Light, flat & fast...What round should I choose?

I’ve been following this thread as I’m looking to add a quarter bore to the safe. Lots of good info here as usual.

I see that Weatherby just announced the 25 RPM. Several offerings all over 3000fps with a fast twist.
 
I see that Weatherby just announced the 25 RPM. Several offerings all over 3000fps with a fast twist.

The 25 Wby RPM looks like a capable round...for people who shoot off the correct shoulder. All of the Weatherby rifles grey out this caliber when the "Left" button is clicked. But that only applies to people like me. A lot of the info in this thread would be useful regardless of which shoulder you're firing off of.

The 107gr factory load going 3,350 fps is close to the 109gr TTSX handload @ 3,400 fps that Bob was able to get out of a Rem 700 25-06 in an earlier post.

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The 25 Wby RPM looks like a capable round...for people who shoot off the correct shoulder. All of the Weatherby rifles grey out this caliber when the "Left" button is clicked. But that only applies to people like me. A lot of the info in this thread would be useful regardless of which shoulder you're firing off of.

The 107gr factory load going 3,350 fps is close to the 109gr TTSX handload @ 3,400 fps that Bob was able to get out of a Rem 700 25-06 in an earlier post.

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From what I saw of the factory loads
There new 25 vs the 257
I would still take the 257 with the 117 gr load the 257 is faster
 
The 25 Wby RPM looks like a capable round...for people who shoot off the correct shoulder. All of the Weatherby rifles grey out this caliber when the "Left" button is clicked. But that only applies to people like me. A lot of the info in this thread would be useful regardless of which shoulder you're firing off of.

The 107gr factory load going 3,350 fps is close to the 109gr TTSX handload @ 3,400 fps that Bob was able to get out of a Rem 700 25-06 in an earlier post.

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@odonata
Out of my 25 of my design in getting over 3,600 with a 109gn TTSX and over 3,300 with a 115-117 gn ballistic tips and the SST . Wish they had the fast twist and heavy bullets when I built it 15 years ago
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If you rebarrel it would make building a 25-06 modernized easy. Go 7 or 7.5 twist and throat it for the new 25 cal "heavies".

Odonata, this statement is personally significant. Back in a former life I was a huge (YUGE) 25-06 fan. I did most of my killing with 100grain pills from prairie dogs to big deer, even an elk. Light/Fast/Flat .25 cal can be pretty damn impressive for what it is. But after committing to that caliber and wearing out several 25-06 barrels over 25 years these are my conclusions:

1. If I'm going to shoot p-dogs/coyotes, my 22-250 is just as flat, just as devastating, and I get to watch more rather than losing the image in recoil.

2. Neither cartridge recoils all that much, but any volume of shooting and the 22-250 is less tiring by a lot.

3. 25-06 is better on paper than the 22-250 especially in the wind, but I can't say it practically ever mattered on big or small game.

4. Antelope and Deer were nearly always very satisfying results with the 25-06. Big bodied deer, elk, longer ranges, tough shot angles is where it quickly ran out of oomph. At least with 100gr bullets. A modern bullet mighta helped a bit more, but that's all in the past so I'll never know.

4.5: I've only ever shot two medium deer with 22-250. 55gr soft points worked fine, but I'm confident it woulda worked more-finer with a fast twist and a heavier bullet. But no complaints but also no urge to do so on my part.

5. Large charges and slow powders in my 25-06 pushing max velocity also pushed recoil and muzzle blast to be nearly indistinguishable from a 270. A heavier .270 bullet probably woulda been the more capable projectile for every hunt memory linked to item #4.

6. 120 grain bullets were the only ones available back then. But the performance of them was so lack luster on targets and on game that I dropped to 100gr and RL 22 and never looked back. My barrels twist was 1:10 iirc.

Conclusions: Here's the thing, if you go to all the trouble to get a 25-06, load up a heavy 130 "heavy" you'll have a rifle that's ballistically indistinguishable afield from a .270 or your beloved 6.5x55. That's just reality. And in a comparison of those three, the reduced muzzle blast, control/follow-up ease should favor you 6.5 Swede.

Now, rewind 300 posts back to your original quandary... you really need to pause and ask what a 25-06 will do better than your 22-250 and 6.5x55? Probably not a thing... BUT it likely could replace both those guns if you wanted it to! And that fact I think that might-could the real magic of the .25-06 loaded light/fast/flat. It fills a really wide niche extremely well in capable hands.

Get what suits your fancy!
 
Now, rewind 300 posts back to your original quandary... you really need to pause and ask what a 25-06 will do better than your 22-250 and 6.5x55? Probably not a thing..

Thanks a bunch for the detailed feedback. I really appreciate it.

One of the reasons I asked the original question is that none of the guys I regularly hunt with shoot a quarter bore. For the moderate ranges we usually hunt at amongst thickets and hanging vines, the selection my hunting buddies shoot is usually 6.5x55, 6.5CM, 7mm-08, 270 Win, 303 British, 308 Win, 30-06, 35 Rem, 350 Legend, 35 Whelen, 405 Win, 44 Mag & 45-70. The last five items on that list are used primarily for the alternative / primitive season regulations in the AR-LA-MS area. The first half of the list is for modern gun season. The 35 Whelen is the most popular & duplicated cartridge in the group.

So I've read about smaller calibers but I've never actually seen the terminal results out in the field. I thought this group could provide some insight & I was not disappointed. This was just a case of me doing some research for intended future hunting after I retire. The eight rifles I have that shoot 130~165gr bullets are handling my current hunting needs just fine. I love my 6.5x55 but I'm not sure I would want to use this particular Ruger No. 1A to take shots that were ~3x the distances I'm currently encountering. That's one of the reasons I was looking for feedback on a bolt action that would be between my 22-250 & 30-06.
 
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I love my 6.5x55 but I'm not sure I would want to use this particular Ruger No. 1A to take shots that were ~3x the distances I'm currently encountering. That's one of the reasons I was looking for feedback on a bolt action that would be between my 22-250 & 30-06.

The Ruger No1 was the first rife design that I got purely because it was aesthetically pleasing to my eye. And I of course got one in a 25-06. Which was easy to do because hunting with this cartridge was generally a one-shot deal anyway. Long story short, I eventually sent that rifle down the road for no other reason than I realized the ability for quick follow-up was not just an idea but an imperative-- more especially as distances stretched and horsepower diminished. Connecting with good placement was never a problem tho and so I went back to a bolt 25-06 and was happy for quite sometime thereafter. But the on-game results of stouter animals, longer distances, and challenging shots with the light/fast/flat 100gr bullets left something to be desired each outing.

Ultimately I moved to a 7x57 with heavy for caliber high BC bullets (AMAX/EldM) and quit chasing numbers. While that may seem a step backwards from light/fast/flat setup, really it's not. Wind plays with them way less as distances stretch, it's more fun to shoot, and far more pleasant than anything magnum. Best of all the on-game effects for larger critters has been more reliably decisive by every metric. Practical results have been indistinguishable from my hunting partner's 7mag to put it in perspective.

In your shoes, I'd be inclined to either add a 6.5x55 in a bolt, OR, send the Remington down river and spend my time developing a gun/load/bullet on something that I already got and then putting my time/efforts too quality trigger time and make marksmanship great again!
 
@Old3Toe,

Here's a photo of the last stand that I shot a deer from. It's kind of easy to see why long flat shots aren't much of a concern in this particular location. The maximum visible distance you can see at this Mississippi camp is 145 meters. The places I often hunt in Arkansas are very similar. If I expand my hunting range into more open country with longer shot possibilities, it will be different from what I've been doing recently so I need to practice & prepare.

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