Let’s go on a canoe ride they said. It’ll be fun they said

Are there no requirements on these wildlife guides to be at the same proficiency level as a PH? Like the system in Zimbabwe ?

I cannot imagine going on a tour in the wild, not having the guide carry a rifle, ready to do the necessary.
 
Let’s go on an elephant sightseeing canoe ride they said.

It’ll be fun They said.

You won’t get wet they said.

You won’t get dead they said.

At least no one died
Great Video showing the brains of Greenies
 
When you go to third world country, you have to WATCH OUT FOR YOURSELF! For the right amount of money, they will let you do anything. In Mexico, I was given 15 minutes instruction and sent down scuba diving--went with the easy current, having a ball, and almost got swept around an Island and out to sea with the tides. Turns out that happens a couple of times a year. Good thing I stuck my head up and checked progress.
For a paltry sum, I was towed up on a parasail behind an old PT boat (like the one JFK piloted) and was so high I drifted with the wind over the town and over a big power transformer site. No problem!!, Hey!
For a few bucks in Africa I'm sure I could get close to elephants. no problem, Hey!!
 
When you go to third world country, you have to WATCH OUT FOR YOURSELF! For the right amount of money, they will let you do anything. In Mexico, I was given 15 minutes instruction and sent down scuba diving--went with the easy current, having a ball, and almost got swept around an Island and out to sea with the tides. Turns out that happens a couple of times a year. Good thing I stuck my head up and checked progress.
For a paltry sum, I was towed up on a parasail behind an old PT boat (like the one JFK piloted) and was so high I drifted with the wind over the town and over a big power transformer site. No problem!!, Hey!
For a few bucks in Africa I'm sure I could get close to elephants. no problem, Hey!!
It’s not just 3rd world places
I know a lot of stupid $hit that happens/ happened in fl.
Spring cave dives swimming with gators ect
 
When you go to third world country, you have to WATCH OUT FOR YOURSELF! For the right amount of money, they will let you do anything. In Mexico, I was given 15 minutes instruction and sent down scuba diving--went with the easy current, having a ball, and almost got swept around an Island and out to sea with the tides. Turns out that happens a couple of times a year. Good thing I stuck my head up and checked progress.
For a paltry sum, I was towed up on a parasail behind an old PT boat (like the one JFK piloted) and was so high I drifted with the wind over the town and over a big power transformer site. No problem!!, Hey!
For a few bucks in Africa I'm sure I could get close to elephants. no problem, Hey!!
I know a guy ( well if he still alive) that for 500$ and a sined waver he will carry you to swim with gators.
I am from here and never been bothered by gators and I would not go in that creek
With my 45-70
 
When you go to third world country, you have to WATCH OUT FOR YOURSELF! For the right amount of money, they will let you do anything. In Mexico, I was given 15 minutes instruction and sent down scuba diving--went with the easy current, having a ball, and almost got swept around an Island and out to sea with the tides. Turns out that happens a couple of times a year. Good thing I stuck my head up and checked progress.
For a paltry sum, I was towed up on a parasail behind an old PT boat (like the one JFK piloted) and was so high I drifted with the wind over the town and over a big power transformer site. No problem!!, Hey!
For a few bucks in Africa I'm sure I could get close to elephants. no problem, Hey!!
My father was almost killed in Acapulco Mx para sailing, they almost squashed him against a hotel, sister almost died in a Australia when her hot air balloon crashed in high winds, I usually avoid such things
No bungee jumping the Zambezi river into crocs and hippos for me
 
What would be the best firearm in this situation? A rifle would be sitting on the floor of the makoro getting wet and dirty, and the standing guide would need to bend down during the action to retrieve it. I recall seeing a photo of Zim guides training with a heavy revolver from a canoe, but I suspect that was more focused on an angry hippo not an elephant. 44 Magnum with solids? 500 S&W Magnum?

Im not shooting at an elephant with a pistol. I dont care if it has worked for other people.

A 450-400 NE double wouldnt be bad to keep in one of the boats. My thought is the light recoiling cartridge would be easier to deal with on a boat.
 
What would be the best firearm in this situation? A rifle would be sitting on the floor of the makoro getting wet and dirty, and the standing guide would need to bend down during the action to retrieve it. I recall seeing a photo of Zim guides training with a heavy revolver from a canoe, but I suspect that was more focused on an angry hippo not an elephant. 44 Magnum with solids? 500 S&W Magnum?
any handgun pointed at the guide would work. I think he'd paddle pretty fast.....
 
The market for exciting, green, bucket list, non-hunting tourism has been expanded and widely promoted. Sadly and usually at the expense of the wildlife involved, with the needless killing of problem animals whose natural defensive perimeters are continually encroached upon by the “green” safari tourists demanding the experience. Anyone see the problem here?

No, the solution is not having these guides carry big caliber stoppers. The solution is to not encroach upon these animals’ natural, defensive space in the first place. But then again in the world of ignorance and free markets, can’t fix stupid.
 
The market for exciting, green, bucket list, non-hunting tourism has been expanded and widely promoted. Sadly and usually at the expense of the wildlife involved, with the needless killing of problem animals whose natural defensive perimeters are continually encroached upon by the “green” safari tourists demanding the experience. Anyone see the problem here?

No, the solution is not having these guides carry big caliber stoppers. The solution is to not encroach upon these animals’ natural, defensive space in the first place. But then again in the world of ignorance and free markets, can’t fix stupid.
No one really believes carrying a heavy rifle would solve the issue. A game often played on this forum is "What gun would you use in this situation?".

Nothing we say on this forum will do anything to dissuade bunny huggers from doing something... even if that something is destroying wildlife habitat or killing off species in true danger of extinction. Most of them don't actually care, they just pretend to care in order to look good in front of others.
 
I was this somewhere and i wonder what they did to piss it off.
 
I was this somewhere and i wonder what they did to piss it off.
In my limited experience with cow elephant, just being in the same zip code can piss them off, I was charged by one cow and never want to experience that again!!
 

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