If you want to shoot dangerous game..

Nah if you INTEND to DELIBERATELY die on a DG hunt (maybe you're terminal?) that is selfish and unfair on the PH & Outfitter the amount of stress it would induce on the humans present during your death, witnessing it and being incapable of saving you at the hands of a dangerous animal which is their entire profession is the LAST LAST LASSST thing any of them wants & makes THEM not look "positive", let alone the media attention... CHRIST....

There are certainly much worse ways to go but this isn't a d*ck waving contest about who can have the most gruesome death of which I want NO part in.
Hopefully no one is intending to go out that way, except maybe Mark Sullivan.
 
I bet everyone that ever died on a DG hunt "regrets it" (well duhhh..) if you could ask them somehow.
I mean how can you go on another DG hunt.................. if ya dead.
There is a balance.
@Kharn - there are worse ways to die. Having hunted DG a couple times I told my Family (in advance) that in the highly unlikely event I “die” - I died doing something I loved. The older I get the more I appreciate that ‘Living Longer is Not always living better’…. Now, that might sound very Brave and its easier for me to write about then actually experiencing (I might be screaming like a baby if it ever happens).
 
Can we have a civil discussion on this topic..?

To my mind, if you want to hunt dangerous game, let it be dangerous, otherwise you may as well just shoot deer. DG is to be shot at as close range as possible, either with a bolt rifle or a double..

A buffalo is not dangerous when you shoot him at 80 yards with a .375H&H from sticks.. I mean..if you hunt DG, isnt the taste of danger a part of the experience..?
I think you want a long range vs hunting debate. I shot my lion at 60 yards. That was close enough. I shot my hippo at 120 yards. Shot 2 cape buffaloes. One at 40 yards that was close enough. The other was 22 yards only because we lost him tracking him on a trail in tall grass and didn't realize he bedded right in front of us until he stood up. I shot 2 crocs this year. One 15 feet 6 inches, the other 14 feet 7 inches. The bigger of the 2 I shot at 72 yards. That was close enough thats as close as I could get. The other was shot at 35 yards. I killed an elephant around 40 yards in Zambia, that was really close enough. The buffalo at 22 yards was insane and my PH told me if I had hesitated to shoot him someone would have been injured or killed.

I'm not a long range hunter. I dont believe in shooting anything past 400 yards. That just my personal thing and I don't judge people who shoot past that, but I'm not going to try to get within bow range on dangerous game if I don't have to. My adrenaline was spiking through the roof 120 yards with the hippo to the 22 yards with the buffalo. Id rather not get too too close.
 
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@HankBuck - there are worse ways to die. Having hunted DG a couple times I told my Family (in advance) that in the highly unlikely event I “die” - I died doing something I loved.

You have a family can you still not see the selfishness of the potentiality in that statement?

I wouldn't be surprised if your family all unanimously THOUGHT the same THOUGHT after you tell them you're off to go risk your life over something you CHOSE to risk your life over..... "Then don't do it Dad please! To us you are worth more than all the Buffalo in that land!".... But there's a reason they don't (you'll probably argue / fight them over it, because this is what YOU want to do & you're the king of the castle)?

"We are a family, I need you, you need me, we need each other..... So I booked a Dangerous Game hunt with the potential to end my life....................okcoolbyecya!!!"

I would next to guarantee that if you did (I hope it never happens, I wouldn't wish it upon ANYONE) lose your life in a hunt and if I had the ""powers"" to temporarily bring you back for a little chat the FIRST thing you would say are "IT WASN'T WORTH IT! I'M A F'ING IDIOT! MY WIFE!... MY KIDS!... I...<turns back to dust>"

My mate died behind a boat in a BridgeToBridge Skiing race, he died about 100m from the finish line when the driver hit the straight at max speed but there was a little turbulence in the water that sent my mate cartwheeling and shattering his entire spine landing face down in the water not dead, but a vegetable, 4 days later life support was turned off he was 26.

The actual saddest part (aside my mates death) about it was he ..."HAD"... a family (Pregnant Wife & 2yr old son), EVERYONE (my deceased mates own parents included) unanimously agree that he had NO BUSINESS getting behind a boat to race whilst he had a family that NEEDED him (as all families need each other) and I'll bet my bottom dollar that if I could rip his soul back from where ever it is and slap his ragged decaying corpse across the face with it to bring back life in him the first words, the FIRST words he would say/scream are "I'M SORRY! I'M AN IDIOT!!! I'M SO F'ING SORRY!!!! I'M SO F'ING DUMB!!! TELL MY KIDS!!!! TELL MY WIFE!!!!" (aka nothing but regret).

Very rarely do I ever think of my life being some sort of singular thing, my life effects COUNTLESS of individuals around me.

I am NOT saying do not hunt dangerous game, (too me it's the pinnacle of the hunt!)
I AM saying that you do not need to put yourself in harms way to hunt dangerous game!

#FAMILY :LOL:
 
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If you don’t put yourself in harm’s way to hunt dangerous game, it really isn’t dangerous game then, is it? I’m so confused by that last post. I’m off to bed. :cool:
 
If you don’t put yourself in harm’s way to hunt dangerous game, it really isn’t dangerous game then, is it? I’m so confused by that last post. I’m off to bed. :cool:
Hunting dangerous game is inherently dangerous already without putting yourself in harms way deliberately.

I wonder how many of you are LEADING (implying man in front) a follow up shot on a Leopard? I wonder if the PH will even allow it? AND I wonder why the PH won't................................................? (I don't think I've ever seen a client do a LEADING follow up shot on a wounded Leopard).

Any plains game species can be hunted in ways that are dangerous.

Watch me go and hand-to-hand / toe-to-toe with this Alpha Baboon and my trusty rusty box cutter knife with a .5mm thick blade.....!
 
So completely on topic for a change. Albiet deer vs DG. Went for a stalk today partly to go somewhere i hadnt been on the farm typically. Me and a buck almost walked into each other. About 10m away. I had laid down when i hear him approach walked out in front of me saw me start to aim. He started to run so I stood up he paused for a half second. and I fired a quick shot off.

He made it another 50ft and that was it. Nice little 6 pointer for the fridge. But thats the closest ive ever gotten stalking was nice.

Dragging out of the hills to the field was a pita. But its life. My dog got some practice as well. Trying to train her to track. Its her second in a week.
 

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