Great buffalo video …. Lessons learned

[Scott CWO]

But getting in two immediate follow up shots where you are standing does. They were likely moving over to put in a proper insurance shot when it charged. I doubt anyone thought it was actually needed though. I’d think everyone in that group gave it a lot of thought what they’d do differently after it happened.

Immediate sure. After that though, I would have went left to get a visual on the vitals, not to the right or straight at it. As was said in the video later, it’s the dead ones that kill you. This buffalo went down quickly but never really quit moving. I’m guessing that they figured it was hurt more than it really was because it went down so fast.

 

[Philip Glass]

I’m not sure why pulling the back trigger first would have helped. The issue is he didn’t switch triggers. I’ve shot tens of thousands or rounds through double trigger shotguns including at competitive pigeon shoots where a quick second shot is critical. Other than in a few hunting situations where I want to hit the tighter chokes barrel and a few rounds of alley shooting back to front for practice, I’ve always pulled the front trigger first. The hand slides quickly to the second trigger under recoil rather than having to reset in the opposite direction of the recoil.

You don't understand because you "have shot tens of thousands of rounds through Double trigger shotguns". You are highly proficient with double triggers. Hardly anyone else has. When a person has spent 50 years shooting a single trigger gun it is hard to change and especially be proficient when your life depends on it. I bought a junk Brazilian made 12g OU Double trigger to shoot dove with for practice. It's hard to learn. There is a problem that needs a solution. You have one solution that is great but requires years of practice. My solution is to find that back trigger first then on the follow up I'm just reaching out for a trigger and finding the first easily. To each his own.

 

[Russ16]

You don't understand because you "have shot tens of thousands of rounds through Double trigger shotguns". You are highly proficient with double triggers. Hardly anyone else has. When a person has spent 50 years shooting a single trigger gun it is hard to change and especially be proficient when your life depends on it. I bought a junk Brazilian made 12g OU Double trigger to shoot dove with for practice. It's hard to learn. There is a problem that needs a solution. You have one solution that is great but requires years of practice. My solution is to find that back trigger first then on the follow up I'm just reaching out for a trigger and finding the first easily. To each his own.

My question is why is it easier to remember to switch triggers when pulling the back first? I agree that practicing with double triggers is important we are on the same page there.

When shooting a single trigger shotgun my finger never looks for the trigger between shots so if I’m used to a single trigger gun I don’t understand how pulling the back trigger first will help you remember to switch.

If anyone wants to get proficient with a double trigger gun buy a decent double trigger 20 gauge and spend 3 days shooting doves in Argentina. 4-5 thousand rounds and you’ll never forget to switch again.

 

[skydiver386]

You don't understand because you "have shot tens of thousands of rounds through Double trigger shotguns". You are highly proficient with double triggers. Hardly anyone else has. When a person has spent 50 years shooting a single trigger gun it is hard to change and especially be proficient when your life depends on it. I bought a junk Brazilian made 12g OU Double trigger to shoot dove with for practice. It's hard to learn. There is a problem that needs a solution. You have one solution that is great but requires years of practice. My solution is to find that back trigger first then on the follow up I'm just reaching out for a trigger and finding the first easily. To each his own.

Muscle memory is a two edged sword.

When the shooter switched from the bolt gun to the double, my instinct told me that was asking for trouble.

I've shot bolt guns from the age of about 13 with a Marlin 22mag, then progressed to bolt Match 22's, and center-fire bolt guns for hunting and rifle competition.

Although I love seeing you guys hunting with double rifles, they just aren't for me because I know what my brain and hands are going to do without a conscious thought. Operating a double in a situation like this will probably never be as easy as a bolt gun, and I'd likely fumble the trigger and the reload on a double.

The attempted brain shot was the first issue, the raking shots in the back were the second, and going from a bolt gun to a Double rifle was the third. Not bashing the guy to hard though, as I hope I'd do as well under the same circumstances.

 

[Vintageguy]

Everything would’ve been fine if he had only watched a few Mark Sullivan videos.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

My question is why is it easier to remember to switch triggers when pulling the back first? I agree that practicing with double triggers is important we are on the same page there.

When shooting a single trigger shotgun my finger never looks for the trigger between shots so if I’m used to a single trigger gun I don’t understand how pulling the back trigger first will help you remember to switch.

If anyone wants to get proficient with a double trigger gun buy a decent double trigger 20 gauge and spend 3 days shooting doves in Argentina. 4-5 thousand rounds and you’ll never forget to switch again.

Or just blow off the whole double rifle idea and hunt always and everything with single trigger guns. Makes more sense to me. Plus a couple extra rounds in the gun in case things get hairy.

 

[Philip Glass]

Muscle memory is a two edged sword.

When the shooter switched from the bolt gun to the double, my instinct told me that was asking for trouble.

I've shot bolt guns from the age of about 13 with a Marlin 22mag, then progressed to bolt Match 22's, and center-fire bolt guns for hunting and rifle competition.

Although I love seeing you guys hunting with double rifles, they just aren't for me because I know what my brain and hands are going to do without a conscious thought. Operating a double in a situation like this will probably never be as easy as a bolt gun, and I'd likely fumble the trigger and the reload on a double.

The attempted brain shot was the first issue, the raking shots in the back were the second, and going from a bolt gun to a Double rifle was the third. Not bashing the guy to hard though, as I hope I'd do as well under the same circumstances.

Good point about reloading. We can easily reload a bolt gun without looking. Not so much the double! I used to not see the wisdom in having a small caliber double but to gain practice and muscle memory, as you correctly state, it would be a great idea.

 

[Philip Glass]

My question is why is it easier to remember to switch triggers when pulling the back first? I agree that practicing with double triggers is important we are on the same page there.

When shooting a single trigger shotgun my finger never looks for the trigger between shots so if I’m used to a single trigger gun I don’t understand how pulling the back trigger first will help you remember to switch.

If anyone wants to get proficient with a double trigger gun buy a decent double trigger 20 gauge and spend 3 days shooting doves in Argentina. 4-5 thousand rounds and you’ll never forget to switch again.

I don’t know how to further explain it except to say it works for me and prevents me from double pulling the front trigger. I am no expert with these double guns but just like many of you a lover of them. I totally agree with the shotgun practice!

 

[Russ16]

Good point about reloading. We can easily reload a bolt gun without looking. Not so much the double! I used to not see the wisdom in having a small caliber double but to gain practice and muscle memory, as you correctly state, it would be a great idea.

Practice with that shotgun you bought. It only takes a few rounds if skeet to be able to load quickly without looking. Our a couple of days in a dove field. It’s the same muscle memory.

Shootng “flurries” is fun. You and a buddy with 50 rounds each and some holds the button down on a wobble trap. You take the first two and while reloading your buddy takes the next two and so on through 100 targets. Your reloading and target acquisition and quick gunmount will all improve.

 

[camlo]

I’m not sure why pulling the back trigger first would have helped. The issue is he didn’t switch triggers. I’ve shot tens of thousands or rounds through double trigger shotguns including at competitive pigeon shoots where a quick second shot is critical. Other than in a few hunting situations where I want to hit the tighter chokes barrel and a few rounds of alley shooting back to front for practice, I’ve always pulled the front trigger first. The hand slides quickly to the second trigger under recoil rather than having to reset in the opposite direction of the recoil.

The hunter in the video is a highly decorated Team USA sporting clay and FITASC champion. He knows how to pull a trigger. I think this case highlights how quickly things can go wrong and what adrenaline can do to you. Are you still active in the flyer circuit?

 

[Russ16]

The hunter in the video is a highly decorated Team USA sporting clay and FITASC champion. He knows how to pull a trigger. I think this case highlights how quickly things can go wrong and what adrenaline can do to you. Are you still active in the flyer circuit?

Not really. I haven’t shot flyers in years. No real reason other than most of the guys I shot with in the local club kind of aged out so the “crew” I shot with sort of disintegrated. I’ve thought about getting back into it at least in a small way. I do miss the columbaire shoots in particular.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

The hunter in the video is a highly decorated Team USA sporting clay and FITASC champion. He knows how to pull a trigger. I think this case highlights how quickly things can go wrong and what adrenaline can do to you. Are you still active in the flyer circuit?

I have seen more than one range expert come unglued in the field. Not uncommon. It's a different ballgame.

 

[steve white]

If you are going to build muscle memory with a double trigger, it will help to shoot the same kind of stock grip consistently. I am a believer in straight stock, no pistol grip for double trigger guns. (or a least a very swept back Prince of Wales) The more vertical you go with the pistol grip, the harder/more practice required to move from front trigger to back. It can feel like your hand is bound up and you are having to curl the trigger finger out and back. A straight stock it a smooth trombone, natural mix of form and function.

It sounds like a bunch of hair-splitting--until SHTF