Ethnic cleansing, South Africa says the quiet part out loud

[Hunt anything]

And the democrats in congress are introducing reparations legislation today in the US House of Representatives!

 

[RLD]

There’s a reason why we Asians & Africans will never become developed countries. We love to blame white people for all of our problems.

Take the Indian subcontinent, for instance. The British & Portuguese stopped colonizing us 78 years ago, but for some reason… our politicians still blame them for the problems that we face today (acid attacks on women, honor killings, religious based hate crimes, child marriages, pedophilia, embezzlement in public & private sectors, poaching, deforestation, mass corruption, etc).

Of course, rather than step up to improve the country… its’s obviously far easier to just blame the “Cruel White Man”.

When I was campaigning for my first term as MP (Member of Parliament), I raised this issue during a public rally. My opposition spun my words into “Habib considers white people to be superior to Bengalis”.

A population with a low IQ & little education combined with an excuse to be able to point fingers at colonial administrations of the past… speaks disastrous results for any country’s future.

So your suggestion is that Indian and African people have lower IQ’s? Why do people from the Indian or African continents have lower IQ’s?

And do you say the colonial period has no impact on those places currently?

 

[RLD]

Which shows the complete idiocy of reparations. The history of humanity around the world shows constant movement, displacement and assimilation of people groups and cultures. It’s ridiculous to try and correct the past by foisting responsibility upon modern populations for things that mostly happened centuries ago.

Apartheid and colonialism in Africa were centuries ago? I must be older than I look.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Apartheid and colonialism in Africa were centuries ago? I must be older than I look.

The point is it’s over now. And these things have been going on for thousands of years. Two wrongs don’t make a right and all that. Where does it start and where does it end?

 

[RLD]

The point is it’s over now. And these things have been going on for thousands of years. Two wrongs don’t make a right and all that. Where does it start and where does it end?

Isn’t that kind of like saying that you just ran over my leg with your truck and then you get to say “ well it’s all over now” let’s pretend it didn’t happen and move on?

Look, how nations can best move on from colonialism is a complicated and nuanced question but it starts with recognizing and understanding the impact of colonialism and Apartheid (which are two very different things). Pretending they didn’t happen or need redress is kind of like you coming to stay in my house for a while, making a crap ton of money, wrecking the joint and leaving without helping repair the damage.

It’s always a good exercise to put yourself in the other guys shoes. If you and your forefathers were on the receiving end of something like Apartheid would you really not think there should be some sort of legal redress?

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Isn’t that kind of like saying that you just ran over my leg with your truck and then you get to say “ well it’s all over now” let’s pretend it didn’t happen and move on?

Look, how nations can best move on from colonialism is a complicated and nuanced question but it starts with recognizing and understanding the impact of colonialism and Apartheid (which are two very different things). Pretending they didn’t happen or need redress is kind of like you coming to stay in my house for a while, making a crap ton of money, wrecking the joint and leaving without helping repair the damage.

It’s always a good exercise to put yourself in the other guys shoes. If you and your forefathers were on the receiving end of something like Apartheid would you really not think there should be some sort of legal redress?

The black Africans have been in power for a generation. It’s probably time to stop blaming all their woes on the white man. It doesn’t seem like they want to move on from apartheid in the first place. They’re slowly reinstating it with whites as second class citizens.

 

[wesheltonj]

??? Cabeza de Vaca from Spain was in Texas in 1528 - 1536. Some Spanish conquistadors led by Alonzo Alvarez de Pineda may have wandered around in Texas in 1519, but that is a bit less clear. Who from England was here before that?

English Colonists Graves

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[Wishfulthinker580]

Isn’t that kind of like saying that you just ran over my leg with your truck and then you get to say “ well it’s all over now” let’s pretend it didn’t happen and move on?

Look, how nations can best move on from colonialism is a complicated and nuanced question but it starts with recognizing and understanding the impact of colonialism and Apartheid (which are two very different things). Pretending they didn’t happen or need redress is kind of like you coming to stay in my house for a while, making a crap ton of money, wrecking the joint and leaving without helping repair the damage.

It’s always a good exercise to put yourself in the other guys shoes. If you and your forefathers were on the receiving end of something like Apartheid would you really not think there should be some sort of legal redress?

I see you’re from Canada. Are you gonna open up your pocket book and pay reparations to the Indians up there?

 

[Hunter-Habib]

So your suggestion is that Indian and African people have lower IQ’s? Why do people from the Indian or African continents have lower IQ’s?

And do you say the colonial period has no impact on those places currently?

1. A person’s race alone can’t ever have any impact on their IQ. But their conduct clearly does. Violence against women, religiously motivated hate crimes, genital mutilations, etc (all common in the Indian & African subcontinents) definitely aren’t any indications of HIGH IQ.

2. Nobody is saying that colonialism was a good thing. There were many atrocities & injustices that were being carried out by colonialists. But this phenomenon is not just exclusive to white colonialists. Any governing body that controlled nations, kingdoms or communities throughout history are guilty of this. Africans committed many atrocities against other Africans. Indians committed countless atrocities against other Indians. Kings in Africa & India who conquered other kingdoms on a routine basis never did so without shedding blood (I can give you historical names & examples but that’s delving into a different topic). The only thing that makes white men different, is that (because they had firearms & superior military strategies) they were able to do it more successfully than others. But nobody has the moral high ground here. What does matter however, is that colonialism ended years ago. In India, it ended in 1947. That’s 78 years back. Most African countries became independent by the 1960s. While colonialism definitely had a lot of negative impacts upon Asian & African countries, I personally fond it quite spineless how politicians in the Indian & African subcontinent constantly love blaming the colonial era for many of the problems which ravage our countries today. That’s absolutely disgusting and a shameless lack of accountability. Corrupt Indian, Bangladeshi & Pakistani politicians steal citizen’s money. But on talk shows, they somehow manage to blame British colonial era administrations (which have been gone for 78 years). Poachers still poison thousands of fauna for the wildlife trade on a regular basis. But somehow, white people are to blame because they “Hunted our innocent wildlife to extinction during the colonial era”. In India, whenever anybody talks about relegalizing hunting… media are always quick to talk about how hunting is a “Cruel relic from the white men dominated colonial era”. In Bangladesh, foreign aid programs gave substantial donations to our previous government for the purposes of economic development. Our previous government used the money to build gigantic statues of their party leaders instead of spending it on food & reforms (I wish that I was joking when I write this but unfortunately I’m not).

So to answer your question, colonialism did have some negative impacts on Asia & Africa (also some positive impacts). But the era of colonialism is long gone. If our current politicians in the Indian & African subcontinent actually had any integrity and desire to improve their countries instead of simply caring about how to line their own pockets… then, the countries would improve despite the damage caused by colonialism in the past.

 

[Hunt anything]

Can anyone show an example of any people’s that have not been oppressed by someone else? Many by their own governments. The former British colonies that became the United States had been exploited by the British government for years until the revolution.
Humans have been fighting, killing and oppressing others since we fell out of a tree and started hitting each other in the heads with rocks and its not going to change no matter what.

 

[RLD]

I see you’re from Canada. Are you gonna open up your pocket book and pay reparations to the Indians up there?

We are. Through my tax dollars. Billions and billions of them. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn’t. But we are not acting like these actions did not harm those communities. We don’t pretend that harming people doesn’t create moral and legal responsibilities to redress the harm we caused.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

We are. Through my tax dollars. Billions and billions of them. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn’t. But we are not acting like these actions did not harm those communities. We don’t pretend that harming people doesn’t create moral and legal responsibilities to redress the harm we caused.

I forgot how insane Canada is. Did you do something wrong to them yourself? Back to RSA, a lot of whites have left since apartheid ended. Is their former home going to pursue reparations against them? How’s that work? And, if not, how’s that “fair” to the remaining whites in RSA? See how ridiculous it gets

 

[Hunt anything]

On the reparations for slavery, I don’t see how taking money from people that never owned slaves and giving it to people that never were slaves is a good thing and it is totally counterproductive .

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

On the reparations for slavery, I don’t see how taking money from people that never owned slaves and giving it to people that never were slaves is a good thing and it is totally counterproductive .

Yep.. What about those who are mixed? They get 1/2 or 1/4 or whatever of what a full blood gets? They would probably go by the old “one drop” rule

 

[Gemsbok45]

RLD,
You are just one link in the chain of life. The indigenous people throughout time have lived lives every bit as intolerant as present man. You just have the means to pay and pay you will.

 

[skydiver386]

I'M clearly a victim the Roman Empires oppression of the Gauls.

I DEMAND RESTITUTION!

 

[wesheltonj]

1. A person’s race alone can’t ever have any impact on their IQ. But their conduct clearly does. Violence against women, religiously motivated hate crimes, genital mutilations, etc (all common in the Indian & African subcontinents) definitely aren’t any indications of HIGH IQ. . . .

I suggest to read the book “The Bell Curve.”

 

[Jason Miller]

I just returned from a month in South Africa, stayed with friends and I know have a project in Port Shepstone and drove all around, from Port E to Durban and loved every minute of it. I love South African hospitality and excited to start a project in Port Sheptstone.

While there working I ran around the area and was shocked at the beauty, it seriously reminds me of Santa Barbara California, great food, beaches and homes with a view, Cheap homes ! Very very cheap. In fact for 200K your could live in a home that would be 10 million in California.

I came home (last week) convinced I was going to buy a house there and even talked my wife into it, I will be working there about a month a year and really loved the time I spent there. Check out this house…

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A beautiful old home with some potential guest rental income with views of the beautiful Indian Ocean in a town with wonderful dining and nightlife, beaches, fishing and hunting close by for the price of a new pickup truck.

Needless to say, all my SA friends and even the realtor has tried to talk me out of it, there is a reason this house would cost 10 times as much in Namibia or Zambia…. There is a reason it’s been on the market forever. So sad as I would love a place like this to spend half the year….

I lived in Johannesburg back in 1997-1999 and have spent a lot of time in South Africa, sadly real estate prices have been on the decline for 25 years, unstable and a corrupt government is killing that beautiful country.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

I suggest to read the book “The Bell Curve.”

I read it in 2007. Interesting read but I respectfully disagree with the authors about their assessments.

 

[pilar]

The black Africans have been in power for a generation. It’s probably time to stop blaming all their woes on the white man. It doesn’t seem like they want to move on from apartheid in the first place. They’re slowly reinstating it with whites as second class citizens.

Yes , after segregation ended, the new government ruined the sugar industry, and orange industry, with taxes and reparations,
Unfortunately hunter habib is right the different governments in Africa are incapable of making logical choices, and will run a lumber mill into a toothpick,