Contarian thought on DSC vs. SCI

Interesting and I only have my TTHA experience from 10 years ago. It was the world’s greatest white tail deer hunting show with very little Africa outfitters. I would bet for my GA brethren it is still viewed that way. Funny just as my TX friends struggle to understand DSC temporarily being in Atlanta I struggle to think of Africa outfitters at TTHA, just me

That was likely one of the TX regional shows that they do in Dallas and Austin and San Antonio every year (they still do them)… very TX centric and mostly deer and pig and TX exotics type outfitters along with a handful of other NA outfitters and a few international outfitters… and then a whole bunch of typical hunting “stuff” like deer blinds, ATVs, clothing, optics, etc…

The January show they are now doing is an attempt to do something very different and looks a whole lot more like DSC of SCI with lots of international outfitters, higher end gear, etc…
 
While I respect everyone’s opinion, I think people are being to harsh on DSC first time in Atlanta given the weather. We should have fine weather this year and I would be very surprised to see DSC was a failure year two in Atlanta
Craig they moved a Texas club out of Texas! It will never work well.
The whole reason DSC exists is because they wanted to keep their money in Texas. Well…..
 
That was likely one of the TX regional shows that they do in Dallas and Austin and San Antonio every year (they still do them)… very TX centric and mostly deer and pig and TX exotics type outfitters along with a handful of other NA outfitters and a few international outfitters… and then a whole bunch of typical hunting “stuff” like deer blinds, ATVs, clothing, optics, etc…

The January show they are now doing is an attempt to do something very different and looks a whole lot more like DSC of SCI with lots of international outfitters, higher end gear, etc…
Well that explains it!!! What you describe is exactly what I experienced and my being a lifelong deer hunter at the time was the most amazing show!
 
Craig they moved a Texas club out of Texas! It will never work well.
The whole reason DSC exists is because they wanted to keep their money in Texas. Well…..
Absolutely understand completely and agree!!! a Dallas Safari Club show not in Dallas is an oxymoron!!! My job though is to do my very best to host our traditional AH dinner so we all can place a face with a name and so enjoy each others company! Outside our outstanding AH website we don’t have many opportunities to break bread together!
 
Absolutely understand completely and agree!!! a Dallas Safari Club show not in Dallas is an oxymoron!!! My job though is to do my very best to host our traditional AH dinner so we all can place a face with a name and so enjoy each others company! Outside our outstanding AH website we don’t have many opportunities to break bread together!
Amen. Heck I may only make the TTHA show but my PH and his group (CVS) will be there.
 
Looks like from the floor plan that tithe did not take the third bay.
 
I just noticed that the last day of DSC is the same day as the Superbowl. My guess is if you want lots of time with an outfitter that's the day February 8.
 
The question was about the show not the organization. The difference of perspective seems that everyone who lost the DSC Dallas show within driving distance now criticizes DSC show at every opportunity and props up TTHA show. The floor plan and list of exhibitors is posted for Atlanta. It’s still a significant show.
I am sorry but whether fair or not moving a Texas organizations main event out of Texas will not end well. This is the bottom line.
 
Also, at the end of it all, the various shows by the critter clubs (RMEF, WSF, NRA, SCI, DSC and so on) make their money off shows and specifically off foot traffic and forced donations by exhibitors. If you look at the balance sheets of the various critter clubs you will see that they spend an enormous amount of money raising money and for overhead. Ask - what percentage of your total revenue goes to "conservation". The answers will suprise you. Not that much. DU probably has the highest percentage of money raised that goes to "conservation", but does any of it do any real good???

Well, that is the question. For DU a wet winter means lots of water in breeding areas, then in turn, lots of ducks.... For Wild Sheep, take a look at the latest issue of their magazine and review the sheep numbers in North America over the last 20 years. Not much to see except Mexicio where high fence sheep hunting has truly caught on. Weather in Alaska determines Dall sheep numbers, not your money.

So, do we as the hunting public continue to fund $300,000 per year CEO's at each of these orgs (there are over 100 that I can name) in hopes that somehow our dollars actuallly help?

Further, if you want to see money actually work - look at long term anti-poaching work in various African countries. That seems to work.

Next go to Asia where conservation is not high on the radar. The sheep there are subject to the whims of the governments and their need for cash.

Next, go to New Zealand. No limits, no boundaries on any big game. There seems to be plenty and the outfitters are doing reasonably well. No critter clubs on the ground there.

Now, go to most of the hunting countries in civilized Europe. Again, the landowners manage "conservation" for profit and sell meat in the local butcher shops. The system seems to work well in a highly populated area where we hunt.

Now go to Texas where conservation groups are everywhere. The ranchers manage game for profit and the African/Asian game in Texas is plentiful... for a price. No serious conservation other than by ranchers, lease holders and deer farmers.

Now go the Rocky Mountain states where they sell sheep tags for enormous money as well as premium elk and antelope tags. Are sheep numbers increasing? No. Is there more and better access to elk areas?? Depends on what our government does with access to BLM land.

So, all of this to say - are the critter clubs truly helping? To a small degree I would say yes, but their overall impact is not terribly significant..

Prove me wrong....
I agree with much of this but saying Texas ranchers don’t have a role in conservation is wrong. We have saved many species from extinction and are an example of conservation through commerce.
I can’t be bothered involved in scores of orgs and this is why I am active in SCI. It covers it all!
 
I agree with much of this but saying Texas ranchers don’t have a role in conservation is wrong. We have saved many species from extinction and are an example of conservation through commerce.
I can’t be bothered involved in scores of orgs and this is why I am active in SCI. It covers it all!
Please don’t misunderstand, Texas ranchers are conservation in Texas!
 
I just noticed that the last day of DSC is the same day as the Superbowl. My guess is if you want lots of time with an outfitter that's the day February 8.
WELL THAT IS JUST DUMBER THAN RENT. STILL GOING BUT THINK IT WILL BE A SHORT TRIP NOW.
 

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