Bob Nelson convinced me - 35 Whelen

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Can't beat a good 30 cal 30ought six, 303 or 308. All will stop or slow down most opponents.
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Can't beat the WW2 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) .30-06 for stopping opponents. The U.S. gangster Clyde Barrow (Bonnie & Clyde) preferred a BAR over the Thompson Sub Machine Gun .45ACP, as the .30-06 would penetrate car bodys and the .45ACP wouldn't. I believe he also preferred the .38 Super over the .45ACP pistol cartridge in his Colt 1911 for the same reason. When he migrated to OZ in the 1930s, he preferred a BAR in .303.
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Bob,
Can't beat the WW2 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) .30-06 for stopping opponents. The U.S. gangster Clyde Barrow (Bonnie & Clyde) preferred a BAR over the Thompson Sub Machine Gun .45ACP, as the .30-06 would penetrate car bodys and the .45ACP wouldn't. I believe he also preferred the .38 Super over the .45ACP pistol cartridge in his Colt 1911 for the same reason. When he migrated to OZ in the 1930s, he preferred a BAR in .303.
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Nothing wrong with a good BREN gun either
 

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When my father was in Korea some of the battles they were in the SMLE No1 mk111 with the skim barrel would get that hot the forend would start to smoke.
On a few occasions the would break ranks and throw their rifles in a creek. Back to the line and keep fireing while others did the same. This was repeat several times during the fire fight with no apparent harm to the weapons.
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@Bob Nelson 35Whelen Great story. I had not read or heard of that one before. If it worked it worked. I understand that Bren and MG42 barrels could be cooled that way without harm. I should have stated that it may not be a good idea with light barrels as I have come across the odd account where it did not work out. Might have been with hammer swaged (hammer forged is a marketing term like nitrocellulose and 'radiator') barrels from new makers. I had a USRAC Model 70 Fwt which would put the first shot dead on from a cold barrel, then a 5 shot 80mm group and 150mm or worse 10 shot @ 100m. Not as tricky as jet engine turbine blades but obviously a big learning curve.
 

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During an ammunition expenditure shoot "yippy shoot" I had the barrel of an SLR starting to glow red. A Sgt had his well and truly glowing red-nearer to ammo point so had more mags. The WO who had recruits handing him mags had the barrel white hot, almost translucent. He and the Sgt had the M60's asbestos gloves on their support hand. The WO's rile you could see a grey streak go down the barrel when he fired. At end of shot that barrel had a slight downward curve.

Next day that SLR still shot just the Point of Impact was way low. It was sent off and barrelled. I think they may have replaced the forearm timber as well considering the burn marks on the outer surface.:giggle:

Never handed a BAR but have carried and put many rounds through a Bren. Love the Bren. The Bren had a chromed lined barrel. When I walked the Kokoda Track in 2006 some old brens actions were rusted out others still in good nick. However all the barrels, out side and in were in very good condition.
 
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@Bob Nelson 35Whelen Great story. I had not read or heard of that one before. If it worked it worked. I understand that Bren and MG42 barrels could be cooled that way without harm. I should have stated that it may not be a good idea with light barrels as I have come across the odd account where it did not work out. Might have been with hammer swaged (hammer forged is a marketing term like nitrocellulose and 'radiator') barrels from new makers. I had a USRAC Model 70 Fwt which would put the first shot dead on from a cold barrel, then a 5 shot 80mm group and 150mm or worse 10 shot @ 100m. Not as tricky as jet engine turbine blades but obviously a big learning curve.
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You won't read about it or hear about it unless you have talked to old Ozzie vets. The same as you don't hear much about the American 72nd tank division giving close support to Australians.
Dad was in one battle where the called in fire support and the reply was we can't do that the Australians are there. The tank commander replied if that's where they want it that's where you f###ing put it.
You probably don't hear much of the Presidential Citation given to 3RAR by Gen Van Fleet for the battle of Kapyong either.
The Korean war doesn't get spoken of much because it was regarded as a police action.
The Vietnam vets weren't the only ones spat on and called kiddie killers. My father suffered the same fate in 1953 when he returned to Australia.
Sorry about the rant I jest get pissed off when people remember WW11 and Vietnam but forget Korea.
Bob
 

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You won't read about it or hear about it unless you have talked to old Ozzie vets. The same as you don't hear much about the American 72nd tank division giving close support to Australians.
Dad was in one battle where the called in fire support and the reply was we can't do that the Australians are there. The tank commander replied if that's where they want it that's where you f###ing put it.
You probably don't hear much of the Presidential Citation given to 3RAR by Gen Van Fleet for the battle of Kapyong either.
The Korean war doesn't get spoken of much because it was regarded as a police action.
The Vietnam vets weren't the only ones spat on and called kiddie killers. My father suffered the same fate in 1953 when he returned to Australia.
Sorry about the rant I jest get pissed off when people remember WW11 and Vietnam but forget Korea.
Bob
Hello Bob,

Good to hear of your Dads missions on South Korea. Bless him for that.
Some of those battles were hell.

My Dad tried to enlist towards the end of the war, in the Air Force, that's when the US Govt found out he was colorblind. He enlisted in the US Army, for the Cold War in Germany.

My two best Chef Mentor Friends, Father was a 2 Purple Heart Veteran of the 82nd Airborne in Korea. Mr. George was a helluva a man, lived till 92 years old.

Nevertheless, the 35 Whelen is the chambering I picked, way back in 2000. for my only true custom rifle. Today ( and since 2010) is now the minimum caliber for "Primitive Weapon" season for deer here in Louisiana, and adjoining states. Our local hunters swear by it, with good reason.

There ain't no flies on it and is a reliable, deer, hog and gator weapon.
I have 2, a Ruger #1 ( 24"barrel) and my custom Steyr 98 Mauser, along with my next project, an extra barrel to mount on a Husquvarna ( FN Mauser) 98 with peep sights.

North America's all around rifle. Someday I will take one to Africa for Plains Game.

A most versatile weapon that works beautifully with Hodgon Varget in 225 to 250 grain bullets.
 

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Hello Bob,

Good to hear of your Dads missions on South Korea. Bless him for that.
Some of those battles were hell.

My Dad tried to enlist towards the end of the war, in the Air Force, that's when the US Govt found out he was colorblind. He enlisted in the US Army, for the Cold War in Germany.

My two best Chef Mentor Friends, Father was a 2 Purple Heart Veteran of the 82nd Airborne in Korea. Mr. George was a helluva a man, lived till 92 years old.

Nevertheless, the 35 Whelen is the chambering I picked, way back in 2000. for my only true custom rifle. Today ( and since 2010) is now the minimum caliber for "Primitive Weapon" season for deer here in Louisiana, and adjoining states. Our local hunters swear by it, with good reason.

There ain't no flies on it and is a reliable, deer, hog and gator weapon.
I have 2, a Ruger #1 ( 24"barrel) and my custom Steyr 98 Mauser, along with my next project, an extra barrel to mount on a Husquvarna ( FN Mauser) 98 with peep sights.

North America's all around rifle. Someday I will take one to Africa for Plains Game.

A most versatile weapon that works beautifully with Hodgon Varget in 225 to 250 grain bullets.
My go to loads are 225 Sierra GameKings with 56 gr of Varget, or 250 Hornady RN with 54 grains of Varget. Both shoot to about the same POI, with low pressure and long case life.
 
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Hello Bob,

Good to hear of your Dads missions on South Korea. Bless him for that.
Some of those battles were hell.

My Dad tried to enlist towards the end of the war, in the Air Force, that's when the US Govt found out he was colorblind. He enlisted in the US Army, for the Cold War in Germany.

My two best Chef Mentor Friends, Father was a 2 Purple Heart Veteran of the 82nd Airborne in Korea. Mr. George was a helluva a man, lived till 92 years old.

Nevertheless, the 35 Whelen is the chambering I picked, way back in 2000. for my only true custom rifle. Today ( and since 2010) is now the minimum caliber for "Primitive Weapon" season for deer here in Louisiana, and adjoining states. Our local hunters swear by it, with good reason.

There ain't no flies on it and is a reliable, deer, hog and gator weapon.
I have 2, a Ruger #1 ( 24"barrel) and my custom Steyr 98 Mauser, along with my next project, an extra barrel to mount on a Husquvarna ( FN Mauser) 98 with peep sights.

North America's all around rifle. Someday I will take one to Africa for Plains Game.

A most versatile weapon that works beautifully with Hodgon Varget in 225 to 250 grain bullets.
@cajunchefray
My old man despite being Australian was in hospital with a few 72nd boys after being shot in the mouth and was also given a purple heart.
Forget loading the Whelen with 250 grainers and Varget. Have a look at the Speer reloading site for there 250 grain loads.
A 250 grain out of the Whelen at 2,700 fps would put a lot of hurt on hogs. A Hornaday 250 grain round nose would be even more hurt at closer ranges 200 yards and less.
The Whelen performs well on plains game. All mine were one shot and down.
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Hello Bob,

Good to hear of your Dads missions on South Korea. Bless him for that.
Some of those battles were hell.

My Dad tried to enlist towards the end of the war, in the Air Force, that's when the US Govt found out he was colorblind. He enlisted in the US Army, for the Cold War in Germany.

My two best Chef Mentor Friends, Father was a 2 Purple Heart Veteran of the 82nd Airborne in Korea. Mr. George was a helluva a man, lived till 92 years old.

Nevertheless, the 35 Whelen is the chambering I picked, way back in 2000. for my only true custom rifle. Today ( and since 2010) is now the minimum caliber for "Primitive Weapon" season for deer here in Louisiana, and adjoining states. Our local hunters swear by it, with good reason.

There ain't no flies on it and is a reliable, deer, hog and gator weapon.
I have 2, a Ruger #1 ( 24"barrel) and my custom Steyr 98 Mauser, along with my next project, an extra barrel to mount on a Husquvarna ( FN Mauser) 98 with peep sights.

North America's all around rifle. Someday I will take one to Africa for Plains Game.

A most versatile weapon that works beautifully with Hodgon Varget in 225 to 250 grain bullets.
@cajunchefray
Noslers load of 60.5 grains of Varget gets the 225 grain accubonds out of my Whelen at 2,850 fps
Bob
 
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My go to loads are 225 Sierra GameKings with 56 gr of Varget, or 250 Hornady RN with 54 grains of Varget. Both shoot to about the same POI, with low pressure and long case life.
@cajunchefray
Get hold of some Hogdon CFE223 that will make the GameKings sing up to 2,900fps and the hornaday round nose to almost 2,700fps
Bob
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Bob all you say about Korea I know about plus plenty more. Keen history student plus have spoken with a few vets. I do truly dips me lid to them.
 

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