Avoiding CTE, brain damage, retina injury etc with big bore rifles ?

Your head (brain) should not be moving enough and then coming to a quick stop to cause CTE. If it is. your doing something very wrong.

BUT !

If you have suffered a past TBI or repeated severe concussions it is much more prone to injury.

1st two photos are before and at end of recoil. Friends .450 Rigby

2nd two are before and at the end of recoil .505 Gibbs. My head has moved of course. But no sudden stop to slosh my brain around and bounce off the skull repeatedly.


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Do not overdue it; do 98% of your shooting with small/mediumbore. It is better for your shooting, your body and your wallet. Do all bigbore shooting sitting (at the bench or on your..) or standing.
And get yourselves proper noise protection, the $9,99-stuff is not proper. My minimum is Peltor Optime2. Consider using earplugs in addition. A large part of your discomfort can be from the sound.

And people are different, some do not notice the recoil, others are done after a few rounds of 308Win.
 
this is exactly why I ended up suppressing my 375 it makes a big difference. It still hurts my head so I have to be smart about how much I practice. That’s as big as I will ever go. Also would not be afraid of a muzzle break. I know everyone hates them but it is your brain for crying out loud. For the 35k you are about to drop on the hunt I think your ph can let his ears ring a bit.
 
I have recently purchased a very nice .458 WM ( https://www.africahunting.com/threads/custom-rifle-ranch-458-win-mag.90030/ ) , and have been shooting it a bit zeroing iron sights that I installed. I love the rifle, and feel it is built correctly for a big bore. It has a wide comb that rises slightly to the rear, a wide butt, weighted 10 pounds with scope, a bit over 9 without scope. LOP is correct for me as far as I can tell (matches most every other rifle I shoot). I shoot it well, and can shoot it comfortably EXCEPT that I get a mild headache after a few rounds that lingers for days. It is really ruining my fun. I am a bit worried about long term health effects of shooting it. I have only shot it from the standing position off a barricade or sticks, not from bench. I am preparing for a 2026 buff and elephant hunt, shooting a 450 grain bullet at a chronoed 2310 FPS, with a recoil energy of 64 ft/lbs. Not insignificant, but not nearly as heavy as some of the real big boys. I have been shooting it with four cartridges in trap in buttstock, so weight is about 10 pounds without scope. I am probably an average sized 50 year old, 5' 11" 170 pounds.

The stock is not smacking my cheek, my shoulder doesn't have any issues, it seems the headache is caused by the recoil energy delivered causing rapid skull movement. I have seen CTE, retina detachment, etc mentioned in discussing big bore rifles, but nothing detailed or really much in the way of avoiding it. I imagine it is possible that I have some sort of medical condition that would exacerbate this problem, but I have had brain scans in the past which showed no issues. The last such scan was following a concussion a few years back, maybe prior concussions are to blame in the cumulative effect.

So what do the big bore experts here say ? Is this just something that goes with the territory with big rifles ? Am I an outlier in getting headaches from recoil ? What can I do to avoid this issue other than being satisfied with shooting and hunting with my 375s ? Running numbers in a recoil calculator shows that if the rifle weighs two pounds more, 12 pounds, the recoil energy drops to about 53 ft/lbs, a fair reduction. I have prepared 4 cartridges filled with lead that weigh nearly a pound to put in buttstock while shooting. I have considered adding a tungsten weight inletted under the barrel in forearm to add another pound. This would give me a 12 pound rifle for practicing, and a bit over 11 while hunting with actual cartridges in buttstock. Would a strap on wearable pad help with this aspect of the effects of recoil ? I have never used a shoulder pad, and assumed that they primarily help with shoulder discomfort which is not my issue. I will not use a lead sled, In my opinion they are pointless because the point of impact shifts, they do not replicate field positions, and they are very hard on stocks. I have heard positive things about the Edwards recoil reducers, but I cant install one in this rifle because of the cartridge trap in butt.

I know of a local hunter who hunted/hunts in Africa that did experience a brain injury with symptoms similar to a stroke attributed to firing big rifles, I am uncertain of the cartridge but from talking with his friend assumed it was something a lot bigger than a 458 Winchester. Last year I did fire one round from my PHs Krieghoff 500 NE, killing a zebra, and did not notice any issues.

I would welcome all thoughts, anecdotes, first hand accounts, etc dealing with injuries from recoil or ways to mitigate the risk. I really want to shoot and hunt with this rifle, but not at the expense of my health.
@roklok - You mentioned that you’ve had previous Brain Scans and prior Concussions therefore you should seek advice from a Neurologist or a Doctor that is familiar with your medical history. No one on this Forum (or any other) is going to be able to provide you good advice for something this “important”. If you had no prior history of concussions and this was the only time shooting a rifle caused you headaches - then you might focus on the rifle and recoil mitigation but I would Not risk that without seeing a Doctor first. I am NOT a Doctor therefore I’m useless in advising anyone on medical treatment.
I do have a long history of Migraines, most come about for No reason and are random but I do know some things that trigger headaches for Me: Certain weightlifting exercises will cause headaches within a few hours of leaving the gym especially if I worked out harder then usual. Also, Rarely, long hours shooting Sporting Clays (200-300 rounds in a day) will give me a slight stiff neck and later a headache will follow etc.. It’s Not the recoil from shooting that gives me a headache but occasionally, during a Sporting Clays tournament, the hundreds of times mounting & holding the gun up on targets exceeds my normal practice routine and gives me a stiff neck ——and I am also concentrating more intensely then during practice….it sometimes leads to a mild headache for a few hours.
Take good care of yourself - lots of hunting days are ahead for us Guys Over 50+.
 
I gotta agree with Altitude Sickness if you ever had a concussion, you can be less tolerant of the recoil.

The muzzle blast can cause headaches.
Poor balance and shooting posture can also cause the headaches.
Shooting off the bench is another culprit.

A good recoil pad helps, you nigh have to replace the one you have, they do wear out.
A muzzle break helps a bunch as does a suppressor. Trick with suppressor is figuring out if your rifle will shoot with it on.
I have one rifle that has a foot of impact shift with can on. The other rifles I have, an inch or two.
 
Probably don’t want to hear this but the gun is to light. That combo should be around 11 pounds with a scope and will more than likely solve your problems.

HH
 
Very Simple, if a rifle is beating you up and giving you headaches you need to move down in recoil. I recently went through the same thing. I had a 500 Jeffery I loved but I just couldn't practice and shoot it much. It has been my experience that around 60- ft lbs is about top recoil for me. I'm 6'2" 225lbs, have a lot of shooting experience, but I've been knocked out a few times, mostly a long time ago playing football...problem is that damage never goes away. Ever seen a young UFC fighter that seems invincible taking incredible shots and still fighting,....then watching him fight 5 years later and take a glancing blow on the chin and slumping over as if he was struck by lighting.....that's not where you want to be in this game, get a heavier gun in a smaller caliber. Brain trauma is nothing to mess with, there is nothing a 10.5 or 11lb .40 or .37 caliber can't do for the traveling sportsman, and it will be easy to shoot.
 
I use a .375 out of choice, not because I don't own (.404, 500/416, 470) and shoot heavier rifles well. It is the choice between rapier and broadsword. Both are decisively lethal - even on an elephant.
 
I am preparing for a 2026 buff and elephant hunt, shooting a 450 grain bullet at a chronoed 2310 FPS, with a recoil energy of 64 ft/lbs.
My immediate thought was you don't need that much velocity. You could back it down by 150 fps and have double rifle ballistics...plus it would take the edge off of your felt recoil. That's just one piece of the puzzle but maybe try that with a few rounds (less than 5) and see how you feel afterwards. You can work up in your recoil tolerances BUT recoil has a cumulative effect...and we never talk about that around here.
 
I have recently purchased a very nice .458 WM ( https://www.africahunting.com/threads/custom-rifle-ranch-458-win-mag.90030/ ) , and have been shooting it a bit zeroing iron sights that I installed. I love the rifle, and feel it is built correctly for a big bore. It has a wide comb that rises slightly to the rear, a wide butt, weighted 10 pounds with scope, a bit over 9 without scope. LOP is correct for me as far as I can tell (matches most every other rifle I shoot). I shoot it well, and can shoot it comfortably EXCEPT that I get a mild headache after a few rounds that lingers for days. It is really ruining my fun. I am a bit worried about long term health effects of shooting it. I have only shot it from the standing position off a barricade or sticks, not from bench. I am preparing for a 2026 buff and elephant hunt, shooting a 450 grain bullet at a chronoed 2310 FPS, with a recoil energy of 64 ft/lbs. Not insignificant, but not nearly as heavy as some of the real big boys. I have been shooting it with four cartridges in trap in buttstock, so weight is about 10 pounds without scope. I am probably an average sized 50 year old, 5' 11" 170 pounds.

The stock is not smacking my cheek, my shoulder doesn't have any issues, it seems the headache is caused by the recoil energy delivered causing rapid skull movement. I have seen CTE, retina detachment, etc mentioned in discussing big bore rifles, but nothing detailed or really much in the way of avoiding it. I imagine it is possible that I have some sort of medical condition that would exacerbate this problem, but I have had brain scans in the past which showed no issues. The last such scan was following a concussion a few years back, maybe prior concussions are to blame in the cumulative effect.

So what do the big bore experts here say ? Is this just something that goes with the territory with big rifles ? Am I an outlier in getting headaches from recoil ? What can I do to avoid this issue other than being satisfied with shooting and hunting with my 375s ? Running numbers in a recoil calculator shows that if the rifle weighs two pounds more, 12 pounds, the recoil energy drops to about 53 ft/lbs, a fair reduction. I have prepared 4 cartridges filled with lead that weigh nearly a pound to put in buttstock while shooting. I have considered adding a tungsten weight inletted under the barrel in forearm to add another pound. This would give me a 12 pound rifle for practicing, and a bit over 11 while hunting with actual cartridges in buttstock. Would a strap on wearable pad help with this aspect of the effects of recoil ? I have never used a shoulder pad, and assumed that they primarily help with shoulder discomfort which is not my issue. I will not use a lead sled, In my opinion they are pointless because the point of impact shifts, they do not replicate field positions, and they are very hard on stocks. I have heard positive things about the Edwards recoil reducers, but I cant install one in this rifle because of the cartridge trap in butt.

I know of a local hunter who hunted/hunts in Africa that did experience a brain injury with symptoms similar to a stroke attributed to firing big rifles, I am uncertain of the cartridge but from talking with his friend assumed it was something a lot bigger than a 458 Winchester. Last year I did fire one round from my PHs Krieghoff 500 NE, killing a zebra, and did not notice any issues.

I would welcome all thoughts, anecdotes, first hand accounts, etc dealing with injuries from recoil or ways to mitigate the risk. I really want to shoot and hunt with this rifle, but not at the expense of my health.
I have the same issue especially with the .470. Even with my mild recoiling .450/400 about 8 shots is all I do in a day. I do get headaches especially with the .470. I too have heard horror stories on this and even one guy who lost all his teeth from shooting big bores often.
How many shots a day are we talking?
My only advice is to limit shots at the range. Get it sighted in and practice a bit before the hunt but leave it alone the rest of the time.
 
Your head (brain) should not be moving enough and then coming to a quick stop to cause CTE. If it is. your doing something very wrong.

BUT !

If you have suffered a past TBI or repeated severe concussions it is much more prone to injury.

1st two photos are before and at end of recoil. Friends .450 Rigby

2nd two are before and at the end of recoil .505 Gibbs. My head has moved of course. But no sudden stop to slosh my brain around and bounce off the skull repeatedly.


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@Altitude sickness - your “stance” in the pictures taken on snow is extremely Wide, is that because of the slippery snow surface or anticipation of recoil?
 
If the 458 gives you headaches, by all means do not continue shooting it.

Either add weight, or go to a lighter kicking cartridge. I would probably look at adding two mercury recoil reducers as well as magnaporting.

Or try a 416 remington, 400 grain bullets at 2400 fps are a little below what your using.

Or you could handload monolythic 350 grain bullets at 2350 in s 416 for even more reduction. My 416 remington weighs over 10 pounds scoped and it’s very manageable to me.
 
The largest calibre I have shot is the .470 Nitro Express, and in bolt action rifles it is the .458 Lott...of those the Lott was the one with the least pleasant recoil but still bearable. I did however settle for the .375 H&H, mostly because I dont see a lot of elephant hunting for me in the future, and also because it works so well for domestic moose and bear hunting.

Here in Sweden we are unfortunately cursed with quite strict weapon legislation, limiting the number of hunting weapons we are allowed to have to 4-6 meaning it is a good idea to have a "bigger bore" that also functions really well for domestic hunting. It does not hurt that I also shoot much better with the new .375 H&H then I did with the bigger ones or my double rifle in .375 Flanged Magnum. I guess having the stock built to measure really does improve ones shooting abilities.
 
My first thoughts are rifle fit and weight. Make sure LOP is for you and add some weight, recoil reducer will help. I shoot 458 Lott all the time from bench or standing with no issues, but rifle is little over 12 pounds and fitted for me. It does have recoil reducer in butt for weight, and it helps alot.
If it is giving you headaches stop shooting until you have it fitted properly or go to a smaller caliber. It is not worth risking your health over.
 
I use a .375 out of choice, not because I don't own (.404, 500/416, 470) and shoot heavier rifles well. It is the choice between rapier and broadsword. Both are decisively lethal - even on an elephant.
I agree with you (for a change! :D). I do not see the attraction for great big guns. Not at all. I don't think obese people are particularly attractive either. In my not-so-humble opinion, like big fat guns, both are an unhealthy accident waiting to happen. I built a 404J almost entirely for the challenge. Would have referred to build a 375 H&H but I don't have the shop equipment necessary to trim the locking ring. 404 is definitely as big as I want to go! First shot out of that beast almost made me dial Gunbroker. That was my remaining good eye that almost got punched out.
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Instead I changed scopes to something with more eye relief. Also looking to work up a load with 307 gr bullets instead of 400 gr. With modern technology the latter really is overkill. The perfectly mushroomed 375 Barnes bullet our skinner removed from my last buffalo weighed 148 gr. It's my understanding the slug only shed 2 grains going through both lungs.

I did consult my ophthalmologist before getting involved in weekly trap/skeet/clays shooting about a dozen years ago. He said I was "over the hump" with vitreous shrinkage and could resume anything I did before the detachments. "Okay. I can start bull riding again?" You should have seen the look on his face. :D However, to be on the safe side, I had already retired my old 870 magnum goose gun for an ultra heavy semi A5 Browning Magnum Twelve.

I would recommend you start by adding weight to the gun and reducing weight in the loads. 450 gr is way overkill in my opinion. Not sure how much reduction before you start sacrificing penetration due to compacted diameter vs bullet mass. That sectional density stuff is over my head. And this would only be a start. If that doesn't give you total relief after a few trial rounds, give it up. Also, I suspect for you, as for me, thumper guns are not something that we can use to "practice, practice, practice." Frankly, I've never found it was a big help hunting big game anyway. Greatly overrated, especially for hard recoiling guns. Field conditions are so much different than the range. The exception, of course, is shotgun range shooting. Moving targets are an entirely different ballgame. The weekend bird hunter can literally spend a lifetime in the field without ever developing effective shooting. The birds (and the dogs!) suffer accordingly.
 
The USA Army won't let its soldiers shoot weapons with more than 60 ft-lb of recoil. Use that information however you want. Also, I honestly advise against using a muzzle break; it might just make your headaches worse due to the increased blast wave hitting your skull.
 
I hunt DG with a 404 Jeffery that weighs 10 pounds. I have fired hundreds of practice rounds and a few in actual buffalo and eland hunting.

I shoot reduced rounds for practice (@ 1800 fps) and it produces recoil at about the level of a 30-‘06. These larger bore rifles require a bit of shooting to learn and adjust to the recoil. I find reduced rounds helped me get control of the rifle and I have no issues now shooting my regular 400 gr. Hunting loads with accuracy and without pain or flinching.
 

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