Anyone had a ph tell you to shoot the wrong animal or wrong shot?

[Speedster]

Yep. Was hunting gemsbok in SA. Very thick bush. A lot of sneaking around and the sun was getting low with us looking straight into it, so there was considerable glare. We finally set up for a small opening in the bushes. The PH told me he would let me know which animal to shoot as they were passing single file through this small opening. I was concentrating on getting a quick shot and relied on what the PH said. Finally a gemsbok walked through and the PH said to shoot. I made a good shot and the gemsbok only went about 50 yards. We walked up to it and saw one horn was short, bent, and splintered in about 5 pieces. Since it was less than 24 inches, the outfitter did not charge me and I was able to shoot another one. What irritated me was the PH said he knew the gemsbok had a damaged horn but told me to shoot anyway. I was like... What?? Yes it is my responsibility to pull the trigger or not but under the conditons, I was concentrating on the exact area of the gemsbok to aim at and I did not notice the damaged horn. I thought the PH should have at least warned me or told me to hold the shot.

 

[Andrew62]

Hunting in Zimbabwe on my very first safari, 1988, my guide said to shoot the klipspringer on the right, shot it, turned out to be a female. If that were today I’d have had a 10x power scope rather than the 5x I was using and I’d know better to be sure of my target.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

In answer to ? of OP… not really. I make my own decisions about which animal and where….and live with those decisions. Then no one to blame for screw ups but me. I really try to avoid the blame game. I really don’t care for PHs who start yelling, “shoot, shoot, shoot!” Discussing opinions on certain animals or if real unseen safety concern involved… sure no problem. But no one “tells” me to shoot anything.

PH and tracker live with these animals and I live across the pond on the opposite side of the planet. I need to trust their judgment and they need to trust me to do what I'm told. That's the way it's supposed to work ... now and a hundred years ago. If something goes haywire and both are gentlemen, there's no need for a blame game. Sort it out and move on. My guy volunteered to sort it out. Okay, enough said and we did move on ... until it was time to pay the bill at the end of safari. THEN I get bushwhacked with the blame game. If the jerk had asked me beforehand to help him out of the mess, I'm sure I would have agreed. But in the field he accepted the blame ... and then he didn't. Not my only only complaint. He was also very lazy. Refused to get up early for kudu because he'd miss 7:30 breakfast at the lodge. I sorted that out quickly with two polite sentences: "You work for me when I'm paying the bill. We WILL be on-site for kudu when the sun comes up." End of discussion. He made the lodge owner's wife feed the campfire while he sat and fiddled with his phone. That bugged me. I finally took over for her. And he never took a turn at the BBQ pit. Not once. Just sat on his butt every night.

 

[dchum]

“Viewing profile dchum”. I was just sent this by a friend haha

Can I help you find something? @pilar

Stop lying about your hunts and experiences - how are not embarrassed about openly lying and being purposely deceiving members.

There is no room for catfish on this site.

 

[pilar]

“Viewing profile dchum”. I was just sent this by a friend haha

Can I help you find something? @pilar

Stop lying about your hunts and experiences - how are not embarrassed about openly lying and being purposely deceiving members.

There is no room for catfish on this site.
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I had to go back and re follow you because I got a message about posting some personal information on a recent post.
Thanks for your heads up, remember that offer on meeting FtF for a reinsertion of that silver spoon back up the original hole it came from

 

[dchum]

I had to go back and re follow you because I got a message about posting some personal information on a recent post.
Thanks for your heads up, remember that offer on meeting FtF for a reinsertion of that silver spoon back up the original hole it came from

Did you just say you want to meet in person (face to face /FtF) and shove a spoon in my hole?

First time I’ve ever been threatened on here
@BRICKBURN @AfricaHunting.com

So now instead of apologizing for catfishing members you threaten me personally for a in person meet up?

You are making me feel very uncomfortable - truly.
Especially because you live near me, I’m taking this as a legitimate threat to me and my family.

Now I legitimately won’t go to the AH meet ups that I have been to before out of worries of you. You actually just threatened me over you lying about hunting in Tajikistan.

 

[Pablo]

Are you the same Pilar who was on 2coolfishing?

 

[Quest#1]

@dchum you constantly talk shit on here. Now you call someone out regardless of BS or not and now play the victim? Come on! How did you think it was going to go…

 

[dchum]

@dchum you constantly talk shit on here. Now you call someone out regardless of BS or not and now play the victim? Come on! How did you think it was going to go…

Really? He openly lied about hunting in Tajikistan
And I called him out.

I would never threaten anyone! Ever
So now if I call out a liar I should expect to be threatened via face to face meet up?

I have been to AH meet ups, have made many in person friends from here and hunt with a site sponsor. I owe this page and most of its members a lot!

Did I personally do something to you @Quest#1 ?

 

[DieJager]

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Really? He openly lied about hunting in Tajikistan
And I called him out.

I would never threaten anyone! Ever
So now if I call out a liar I should expect to be threatened via face to face meet up?

I have been to AH meet ups, have made many in person friends from here and hunt with a site sponsor. I owe this page and most of its members a lot!

Did I personally do something to you @Quest#1 ?

Jeezus! Enough already. You made your point. Continuing with this diatribe just lowers yourself to his level ... or lower. I wouldn't freak out over the silver spoon comment. He's obviously speaking figuratively. If you consider it a viable threat, I suggest doubling your boxer shorts. Offhand I can think of two regular contributors who fabricate their exploits. I'm sure there are more on here. The way of the internet. Is what it is.

Using the ignore button might be useful for you. Personally, I have yet to put anyone on ignore. Seems very immature to me. And once in a while even the proven douche bags, pimple pickers, and fakes can be capable of dropping a useful pearl of wisdom. But maybe using ignore will work for you.

 

[meigsbucks]

On my first safari, there was a herd of impala ready to cross the road at about 75yds. I was on the sticks and ready. Most of the herd crossed. The PH then told me the one to take was the second one. When they crossed, I shot the second one. It dropped to the shot. He immediately told me “You shot the wrong one”. Evidently they switched positions, but I didn’t see it.
On that same hunt, a waterbuck was in some thick cover. The PH assessed it was old and had heavy horns. We stalked it and never got a full look at the horns. I shot it. Turned out it had shorter horns than the PH thought.

 

[skydiver386]

I'm still in Romania as I write this, but a funny story I didn't know until a few days after I shot my Red Stag.

Four of us were in a high stand with the thick woods of the Carpathians to our back, and open fields to our front. Tina, Marius, the Club Hunt Director and myself just casually viewing the huge stags about 300 yards below us with their groups of cows. Group after group came up from the pastures and agricultural fields, through a thin treeline and up to the open field just below us.

One Bull had vines or brush stuck in his rack, another very large Bull stayed to our left, and another large Bull slightly to our right. The Hunt Director couldn't clearly Identity the Bull on the right as one he'd seen before, but but knew the one on the left to be a good trophy Bull. The one on the right was covered with mud, and in the low light was really hard to score.

Marius wanted to put a stalk on the Bull to the right, the Hunt Director the one to the left, so there was a bit of lively whispering in the high stand for a minute or two.

After I put him on the ground, the Hunt Director got a good look at him up close and was shocked. He'd never seen this particular Bull and was every bit as happy as I was that we had this one in the bag. So much so, he called the Club President who arrived a few minutes later to get a look at the Bull.

Just goes to show, there can be a difference of opinion even between very experienced guides when judging trophies.

 

[Nyati]

Congrats @skydiver386 , outstanding bull

 

[LimbNoMo]

This happened in South Dakota and not with a PH, but with my friend the landowner. We come up this hill, and we see a buck with five does on the edge of the corn field. We leave the truck behind, and we stalk to about 180 yds or so from the edge of the corn field. By this time we get there, only two does are there, the buck and the other are back in the field. I clearly heard my friend say shoot, and I even asked again shoot, and he said shoot. After I shot, he is laughing saying why did I shoot, when he said not to shoot. Well, my hearing is all jacked up, and I told him that I thought he said to shoot. Well, while we are arguing back and forth about the shot, the buck steps out of the corn field, and my friend said to stop arguing and to shoot the buck. I tagged out in less than 5 min, filled my doe and buck tags. We always laugh about this, and we make sure I'm listening to the right command when we hunt.

Had a journeyman HVAC technician tell me this same lesson. He had an apprentice with him, who was to be guarding the breaker box. The journeyman tells him, "Don't turn it on."...well, the apprentice heard, "Turn it on." And he did, liberating the journeyman from 2 or 3 fingers.

He says he only uses one word commands now. Off. On. Maybe we should use, "Shoot" and "Hold"?

 

[Hunt anything]

My latest hunt in the Free State, we were hunting common springbok. We had found a really nice ram and after playing cat and mouse with him for almost an hour he finally offered a broadside shot. My PH said he was at 250yds, I was looking at him through a 12 power scope and thought he looked awfully small. I asked if he was sure of 250? Tom said yes so I held on the shoulder and promptly broke his leg just below his body. So the poor thing is out there flopping around like a fish out of water and getting up and falling back down. He gets back up and I aim 6” over his back and put him out of his misery.
I step it off and it was 450 of my steps so around 425yds. Turns out Toms battery was going out on his range finder and giving false readings.
Here’s a picture just in case someone doesn’t think I shot a springbok! LOL

 

[Hunt anything]

Had a journeyman HVAC technician tell me this same lesson. He had an apprentice with him, who was to be guarding the breaker box. The journeyman tells him, "Don't turn it on."...well, the apprentice heard, "Turn it on." And he did, liberating the journeyman from 2 or 3 fingers.

He says he only uses one word commands now. Off. On. Maybe we should use, "Shoot" and "Hold"?

I’m upfront with my PH’s and tell them I can’t hear a damn thing and to say “shoot” or “no” as loud as they can without spooking game!

 

[Dinsdale]

. Well I had kind of tunnel vision…..

I think this is a good lesson to come out of these discussions, done the same thing and subsequent hunts I try to keep aware of the whole situation.

Two smaller groups of 4 Black Wildebeest each and some clumps of brush between us and them. I’m laying prone with the landowners manager between me and the PH and he didnt speak a lick of English. They start shuffling around and I’m told to take the one on the right. PH means far right of the left group and Im looking at far right of the right group. I had a gap to shoot quartered away and never looked at any headgear, and shot a cow. Lucky she was dry and old, so it was a good management animal. But I should have confirmed before I shot.

In the end turned out OK. Shot a good bull on the next trip and had them shoulder mounted together and it really shows off the size difference; other than a Tahr, might be my favorite mount.

 

[pilar]

Mid Asian ibex Tajikistan , guides are yelling “ shoot , shoot that one “ the female interpreter grabbed my arm and said “ no to small and to far “ “ that one “
She was a real classy intelligent individual, that hunt only worked because of her

“I’m upfront with my PH’s and tell them I can’t hear a damn thing and to say “shoot” or “no” as loud as they can without spooking game!”

I hope she (Latifa) is still working for Oxis , being hard of hearing is a challenge sometimes to understand people who don’t speak English very clearly trying to explain things in a hurry

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[Flbt]

I am not a guide. Never have been.
But if I ever hog hunt with any of you in a blind. Don’t trust me on a hog.
Them moving and with dogs I am pretty good.
Them at dark I have gotten it wrong nearly every time.
But the other way they have not ground shrunk they ground grew.
Looking at what I thought would be a good hole hog bbq candidate turns in to big hogs.

About a year ago cracked my leg again.
I was sitting in my truck the hogs came out shot one it ran back in the swamp about 20 yds . My buddy came out because he heard the shot. Told him we’re the 60-100 lbs hog went on he was slow dragging it out.
Where the small one? And I only heard one shot.
I ask him what was he complaining about and taking so long.
That dammed small hog grew up quickly
It’s actually 300 lbs if it’s a oz.
It maxed the 350 scale.