416 WSM first range trip

[Don416]

That plastic tip adds a lot of length in a short action. I’ve thought of turning it off in a lathe? I think the standard all metal bullet design is better for large calibers. Really what am I going to gain with a BT in my little carbine?

 

[michael458]

That plastic tip adds a lot of length in a short action.

My 416 B&M is based on the WSM action. The case is 2.240, from RUM brass. I am not having any issues at all with the 225s seated as you saw in the photo, COL is shorter than the 3 inches required for the magazine box and action............Oh wait, I didn't show a full photo of the loaded B&M .......

You should not have any issues loading it in a WSM case.....

 

[Don416]

My 416 B&M is based on the WSM action. The case is 2.240, from RUM brass. I am not having any issues at all with the 225s seated as you saw in the photo, COL is shorter than the 3 inches required for the magazine box and action............Oh wait, I didn't show a full photo of the loaded B&M .......

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You should not have any issues loading it in a WSM case.....

Thank you, what is the Length of the Raptor bullets with the tip?
It looks like you can put the tip on or off?
I have a Weatherby Vanguard/Howa short action that limits cartridge length around 2.86”.
Bullets around 1.250” seem to work best in my 2.1” WSM case.
From this forum it seems Winchester and Sako short actions can handle 3” cartridges? I think you mention that on the B&M web site?

 

[michael458]

Thank you, what is the Length of the Raptor bullets with the tip?
It looks like you can put the tip on or off?

1.320" and you can remove the tip. You are correct, you might have issues if 1.250 is the max length of a bullet for your action. You are also correct I use nothing but Winchester M70 Control Feed guns, and they can take a 3" COL. When it comes to something other than a Winchester M70 I become rather ignorant.

Maybe take a look at 300 TSX, 325 North Forks, 340 Woodleigh, or 350 Swifts? All flat base bullets, which I much prefer.

 

[AZDAVE]

Will get a box or two ordered and see what I can get out of the 225’s

 

[Don416]

Thanks for the help. Bullet selection in Canada is limited. Speer and Barnes seem easier to get and maybe Woodleigh in 416 cal. Flat bases seem the way to go for maximum powder space in my set-up. Speer 350gr Spritzers, Barnes 300gr TSX and if I can get them 340gr Woodleigh Spritzers are my best choices for optimum powder space.

 

[Don416]

Final loads on 416WSM with SPEER 350gr bullets, had to return Chrony, no speed data:
I) IMR4895 66gr full or slightly compressed.
Ii) W748 66gr also full or slightly compressed.
Tried 67gr with both seemed too hot and compressed load.
Accuracy not as good but that’s probably the recoil effect I have to get used to if I want the speed.

 

[TOBY458]

My Blue Collar Custom Rifle Set, anView attachment 616470 M96 Mauser 6.5 x 55 and the new 416WSM in a used Weatherby Vanguard SA both in plastic Ramline Stocks. Nuttin fancy just Tools to get the job done.

How does that 416 feed from the Vanguard action? Any modifications needed?

 

[Don416]

Just a barrel change and stock milled out for the bull barrel contour (0.8”dia at muzzle) , no action work. Feeds good as long as I keep cartridge length to 2.860” max.
3 in the hinged floor magazine.
Only tried 3 bullets 350gr Speer, 400gr Hornady SP RN, 350gr Barnes TTSX at 2.870”.

 

[Don416]

Tried some Barnes 300gr TSX FB bullets, they are basically the same dimensions as the Speer 350gr lead bullets. Loaded 63gr IMR 3031, OK, and 67gr W748, OK.
Both full case not too compressed at 2.860” O.A.C.L.
Impact about 4” higher at 100m than the 350’s
No chrony.

 

[BlueFlyer]

What is the accuracy like?