416 taylor

[Killingtime]

Has anyone ever shot or owned a 416 Taylor and how did you like it? Is it worth considering over the other 416’s? I’ve heard the Taylor rounds are easier in the recoil department. I trashed my labrum a year ago and still shoot all the time but am thinking as I get older would it be smarter to look for less recoiling options for a big bore or just build a heavier rifle so I don’t end up with a real problem.

 

[mdwest]

I owned one for a few years… I enjoyed it a lot… identical ballistics to the 416 rigby and 416 rem mag, but in a standard action, with just a tiny bit less felt recoil (although at greater chamber pressures)…

Mine was both accurate and reliable… I only sold it because after gravitating away from 375 h&h for a while, I came back full circle and decided that as a client and predominantly buffalo guy on the DG side of the house, that the 375 H&H was both what I personally liked best, shot best, and shot the most of.. so the Taylor was spending more time in the safe than it should… and I thought someone else could likely get better use from it…

If you’re a reloader, they’re easy to work with… 416 Taylor brass is available (although not exactly plentiful) and necking down 458 win mag or necking up 338 win mag is easy enough as well… projectiles are easy to come by.. powders for the Taylor are easy to come by, etc…

If you don’t hand load, I’d advise that factory ammo is very hard to come by these days… the only thing I see reasonably regularly is Norma solids honestly… it’s been a few years since I’ve seen any factory sorts for sale anywhere…

 

[wildwilderness]

Sounds like you just want to tinker with a wildcat! Go for it!

Of course if you were really concerned with recoil and a labrum tear then you wouldn’t be thinking of a big bore- a 375 can do anything you need, and if it’s not Ele then a 9,3x62 can do it with even less recoil.

 

[CoElkHunter]

I have an Interarms Whitworth custom in .416 Taylor. It’s a great cartridge IMO and recoils noticeably less than my CZ550 .416 Rigby.

 

[Andrew62]

Has anyone ever shot or owned a 416 Taylor and how did you like it? Is it worth considering over the other 416’s? I’ve heard the Taylor rounds are easier in the recoil department. I trashed my labrum a year ago and still shoot all the time but am thinking as I get older would it be smarter to look for less recoiling options for a big bore or just build a heavier rifle so I don’t end up with a real problem.

Hendershots offers 416 caliber ammo in 300 grain bullets, this would greatly reduce recoil. But, is buying a 416 and loading it with 300 grain bullets that much of an advantage over just buying a .375H&H and shooting 300 grain ammo. Hopefully, someone can answer this question.

@RAVEN ROCKS PRECISION has 416 Taylor head stamped casings.

Three years ago I just had to have a 416 Rigby, bought it, each time after shooting it 6-8 shots I’d get a headache, so I sold it and continue to use my trusty .375H&H. Big recoil difference between a .375 and .416.

 

[TSIBINDI]

I have a .416 Taylor that I had built by Frank Wells in 1987. I wanted a forty-caliber rifle for African hunting. I've use it on everything from baboons to elephant.

As far as recoil, that is too subjective. Some say the .375 H&H has less recoil than the Taylor, some say otherwise. My wife, who is 5'-4" and 130#, initially was using a .375 H&H, but after shooting the Taylor, she decided there was no difference in recoil. The. 375 H&H was retired and ultimately sold.

If you have not already, I would suggest you have a discussion with your surgeon and have him help you make a decision on the amount of recoil impact you can safely sustain on your shoulder.

My take on the .416 Taylor...if you hand load, go for it.

 

[Grumpy gumpy]

If I found a barrel for the right price, my 458 wind bag would be a 416 Taylor in an instant, I have a 404 Jeff if I need anything bigger in the oomph department.
Gumpy

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

I have a beautiful custom .416 Taylor build on a Pre64 Action that I’ve never shot. Picked it up off a buddy when he needed a few bucks for another venture. Still haven’t shot her, and at this point with the other rifles I’ve got not sure she’ll ever make the trip to Africa but she’s pretty. Wish the original owner/builder did an island rear sight for her.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

The .416 Taylor provides very nearly the same energy as the .416 Rem or Rigby, at lower recoil.
This is due to less ejecta (powder, bullet, and anything else) being pushed through the barrel.

See the table below for a comparison of recoil levels between the .416 Taylor, Rem, and Rigby.
The Taylor has 23% less recoil than the .416 Rigby.
Then compare the at the recoil of the .416 Taylor to the .375 H&H.

The above table shows values of typical loads. Your handloads and especially factory loads with unknown power weights may vary!

 

[Killingtime]

I owned one for a few years… I enjoyed it a lot… identical ballistics to the 416 rigby and 416 rem mag, but in a standard action, with just a tiny bit less felt recoil (although at greater chamber pressures)…

Mine was both accurate and reliable… I only sold it because after gravitating away from 375 h&h for a while, I came back full circle and decided that as a client and predominantly buffalo guy on the DG side of the house, that the 375 H&H was both what I personally liked best, shot best, and shot the most of.. so the Taylor was spending more time in the safe than it should… and I thought someone else could likely get better use from it…

If you’re a reloader, they’re easy to work with… 416 Taylor brass is available (although not exactly plentiful) and necking down 458 win mag or necking up 338 win mag is easy enough as well… projectiles are easy to come by.. powders for the Taylor are easy to come by, etc…

If you don’t hand load, I’d advise that factory ammo is very hard to come by these days… the only thing I see reasonably regularly is Norma solids honestly… it’s been a few years since I’ve seen any factory sorts for sale anywhere…

I have two 375’s I really enjoy that caliber as an all around hunting rifle. I do handload which has made pretty much anything I want to shoot really just an initial cost in investment.

I have been considering a 416 cause with hand loads I could still use them for pg and dg and elephant is in my future for sure.

Another member I’ve talked with has used a 375 for multiple elephant with no issues so that has made me consider just staying that route.

I’d heard it recoiled less. Though I do know stock design and fit is the most important factor in that equation.

 

[Killingtime]

Sounds like you just want to tinker with a wildcat! Go for it!

Of course if you were really concerned with recoil and a labrum tear then you wouldn’t be thinking of a big bore- a 375 can do anything you need, and if it’s not Ele then a 9,3x62 can do it with even less recoil.

The wildcat aspect and the name Taylor is cool. I know it’s not from John Taylor. But that’s the name I always think of when I hear it.

Elephant is on the table though I am trying to be proactive with my shoulder as well and do as much as I can to ensure if I live to be an older man I will still have the ability to hunt dg.

 

[Killingtime]

I have a .416 Taylor that I had built by Frank Wells in 1987. I wanted a forty-caliber rifle for African hunting. I've use it on everything from baboons to elephant.

As far as recoil, that is too subjective. Some say the .375 H&H has less recoil than the Taylor, some say otherwise. My wife, who is 5'-4" and 130#, initially was using a .375 H&H, but after shooting the Taylor, she decided there was no difference in recoil. The. 375 H&H was retired and ultimately sold.

If you have not already, I would suggest you have a discussion with your surgeon and have him help you make a decision on the amount of recoil impact you can safely sustain on your shoulder.

My take on the .416 Taylor...if you hand load, go for it.

Yeah my buddy is a doctor at mayo and two shoulder specialists look at it for me and both said they wouldn’t recommend surgery. I did prp that did not really help. And was going to get stem cells but the doctor there had been studying them pretty extensively and said they had great results with knees but a labrum is a waste with Stem cell because of the design of a labrum.

I asked lol Those doctors don’t shoot or hunt. So I’m not sure how much they would really understood about recoil.

 

[Boyd Brooks]

I’m a huge fan of this caliber. My avatar is my 416 Taylor built on a commercial Mauser action by H McIssac. It cuts clover leaves at 100 with 400gr pills in front of 70gr of Reloader 15. I have never chronographed this load but black bear and moose fall within feet of impact.
A buddy has a Winchester Alaskan pre 64 in 338 win mag, that I shot once, and I think I would prefer a couple good kicks to the gonads before I shoot that rifle again.
For me I get very similar recoil from my 416 as my 358 and 308 Norma Mags.

 

[Killingtime]

I have a beautiful custom .416 Taylor build on a Pre64 Action that I’ve never shot. Picked it up off a buddy when he needed a few bucks for another venture. Still haven’t shot her, and at this point with the other rifles I’ve got not sure she’ll ever make the trip to Africa but she’s pretty. Wish the original owner/builder did an island rear sight for her.


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That’s a pretty rifle

 

[Killingtime]

The .416 Taylor provides very nearly the same energy as the .416 Rem or Rigby, at lower recoil.
This is due to less ejecta (powder, bullet, and anything else) being pushed through the barrel.

See the table below for a comparison of recoil levels between the .416 Taylor, Rem, and Rigby.
The Taylor has 23% less recoil than the .416 Rigby.
Then compare the at the recoil of the .416 Taylor to the .375 H&H.

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The above table shows values of typical loads. Your handloads and especially factory loads with unknown power weights may vary!

It’s seems like a nice bridging caliber in recoil but it really shows how light recoiling the 375h&h is. I’m either going to stay with the 375’s or build a 12lb rifle.