.375 should be banned from buffalo hunts!

[Crishuntbrasil]

Apologies, I did miss the hurricane joke, as today we commemorate Hurricane Katrina.
Language translation is not always language intent, something I experienced in many travels in different countries, but missed this time.

I appreciate the reference to the Guapore Reserve; I will check it out.
Does Brazil license international hunters for the buffalo?
Best Regards,
Charles

No problem, and I express my condolences to all those who suffered from this tragedy.We were one step closer to organizing, legalizing, and enabling the hunting and export of buffalo trophies in Brazil, but three years ago, the communists rigged the electronic voting machines and took power here. After that, everything was ruined, and they're trying every way to take our weapons. They want the people disarmed.Unfortunately...but this won't last forever. One day, we'll reverse this.

 

[Brian]

That's true, you should not overdo it.

In this regard, I am surprised that the extremely large-caliber faction has not reported in yet. After all, there are some members on the Forum who want to play it absolutely safe and are looking for rifles caliber 585 Nyati, 577 Tyrannosaurus, or 600 Overkill, or want to have them built.

As I have often said, I usually use a .577 NE single shot and find it very satisfying to kill cape buffalo with. The PH's that I have hunted with while using the 577 NE tell me that I shoot it more accurately than most hunters shoot their .375's.

I get comments like "You make it easy on us." and "50% of the clients can't hit a buffalo's shoulder with their 375's."

I mention this because sometimes it's fun to brag a bit and to also say that if an 80 year old pencil pusher can shoot a 577NE accurately then anybody could learn to shoot a 416.

I hope this post doesn't start a bad reaction. I am just sayin'.

 

[RLD]

Basically what I wanted to say is that they should consider 416 as a minimum for buffaloes, not 375. However, I lacked the English to say that.

Well you said it just fine here. How many english lessons between your title and this post?

But if you really believe that what have you done to lobby the relevant governments to actually make that happen?

I don't have a dog in this fight at all. But I am lucky enough to have a good friend who is helping put together my Africa trip and get ready for it. He shot his first Cape Buffalo before 1965 and has been taking them ever since, and is has been published many times in African and other hunting publications. Many of his early buffalo were taken with a .338 and one shot.

Buffalo are not armour plated and don't wear kevlar. As far as I can tell, proper shot placement and a good 375 are more than adequate for killing one. If you prefer to shoot them with larger rounds more power to you, go right ahead. But telling people that they can't use a .375 just cause you think the .416 is better? Who died and made you king?

 

[LWPhunt]

as compared to a bow and arrow, with appropriate broadheads, of which my multiple Cape taken with the bow died as if not faster than those with the large rifle calibers I have shot. Bigger can be cooler but not better, IMO

 

[cajunchefray]

No problem, and I express my condolences to all those who suffered from this tragedy.We were one step closer to organizing, legalizing, and enabling the hunting and export of buffalo trophies in Brazil, but three years ago, the communists rigged the electronic voting machines and took power here. After that, everything was ruined, and they're trying every way to take our weapons. They want the people disarmed.Unfortunately...but this won't last forever. One day, we'll reverse this.

Thank you for your condolences. This 20th anniversary is a big deal locally; media is covering all the amazing stories of recovery from Katrina.

It is very unfortunate for the citizens of Brasilia, living under an oppressive government. Banning firearms of free citizens is the first step for the government ruling harshly over the population.

Brazil is a country I have not yet visited among the many traveled in South America, but I have wanted to for years.

2 chef friends I know have married Brazilian wives, travel there often and love the country, people and the food. They tell me the food composition and cooking techniques are very much like New Orleans Creole cuisine, but without the hot spices.
After all, we all descended from Europeans that came to build the New World.

Some of water buffalo pictured are really large!

 

[Brian]

as compared to a bow and arrow, with appropriate broadheads, of which my multiple Cape taken with the bow died as if not faster than those with the large rifle calibers I have shot. Bigger can be cooler but not better, IMO

My son hunts PG with a bow. Those broad heads sure roll an animal up quickly!

 

[Tundra Tiger]

I suppose that last statement is your idea of good manners. I appreciate you showing your colors on pp2 of this thread so I could skip the rest of it.

Wow... I had to run it through Google to translate. Not exactly of a genteel nature.

 

[steve white]

No problem, and I express my condolences to all those who suffered from this tragedy.We were one step closer to organizing, legalizing, and enabling the hunting and export of buffalo trophies in Brazil, but three years ago, the communists rigged the electronic voting machines and took power here. After that, everything was ruined, and they're trying every way to take our weapons. They want the people disarmed.Unfortunately...but this won't last forever. One day, we'll reverse this.

WHAT! Electronic voting machines rigged and an election stolen? Impossible! We know this because our own election, using the very same machines was not stolen after Trump's first term. Liberals have said so more than once, despite being shown--in court, that any protocols can be circumvented with nothing more than a sharp pencil. Impossible!
BTW, beautiful pictures of your country and water buffalo. It may be more dangerous to go to Rio than to hunt them. My wife works with a Brazilian woman who said "don't wear your diamond rings--they may cut your finger off to get them!)

 

[Challer]

Are your arguments so weak that you resort to ridiculing an avatar photo? Where have the good manners and the exchange of real experiences gone? And I thought people here were serious...

Aqui tá cheio de filhos da puta como em qualquer outro lugar! e corno também, muitos deles!!!

This was inappropriate. Translated "It's full of sons of bitches here like anywhere else! And cuckolds too, lots of them!!!"

 

[375Fox]

Do you think I'm going to stay silent just putting up with these apartment hunters talking shit about me? Do you think I'm a balls of steel?

If you really are a PH, I hope you don’t get rattled this easy while you hunt with clients. You started this thread expecting criticism and cry when you receive it. Not one useful piece of information in this thread.

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

If you really are a PH, I hope you don’t get rattled this easy while you hunt with clients. You started this thread expecting criticism and cry when you receive it. Not one useful piece of information in this thread.

Yes, I work with people, but I have character and limits... treat everyone here with great politeness, and criticism is always accepted, disrespect and ridicule are not, they are not more men than I am. If the topic is unproductive, delete it whenever you want, it was supposed to be something productive and not a generalized fight like it became, or expel me if that is what the majority wants, I have no problem with that!

 

[Tbitty]

 

[Flewis]

WOW!! This sure turned into a train wreck!

 

[375Fox]

it was supposed to be something productive and not a generalized fight like it became

If there was any truth in this I’d expect more than a blanket statement that 375s should be banned for buffalo hunting. I’ve been on one early season hunt where shots were marginal in thick brush at pieces of buffalo, I would have preferred my 458 over my 375 in that situation because there is no opportunity to shoot a 2nd time. You get 1 chance under 20 yards. I could see on your water buffalo hunts there is zero opportunity to track blood in water. Dropping buffalo as fast as possible within sight is an advantage for a larger cartridge over a 375, but a 416 or 458 or 600 isn’t going to drop them on spot either with anything less than a spine or brain shot. You didn’t include one description of the numerous dangerous situations the 375 has supposedly put you in. I’d expect those dangerous situations were more the result of poor bullet choices and poor shot placement than the 375, but you’ve provided no details. I’ve shot 5 African buffalo with 375 and 2 Australian buffalo with 375. They run 30 to 100 yards and fall over with a good double lung shot. They aren’t invincible. I can shoot better, reload faster, and put an appropriate scope on a 375. Those are good qualities in comparison to larger cartridges. You haven’t discussed any of these. A 416 is also a reasonable choice for the same aspects, but an argument could also be made bullet advancements could also make a 338 a suitable legal minimum today than when 375 was established before monolithic or bonded bullet options. It seems you’re more interested in trading insults. The “trust me” a 375 should be banned for buffalo attitude from you isn’t adding any value.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Are your arguments so weak that you resort to ridiculing an avatar photo? Where have the good manners and the exchange of real experiences gone? And I thought people here were serious...

Aqui tá cheio de filhos da puta como em qualquer outro lugar! e corno também, muitos deles!!!

@Crishuntbrasil You obviously missed something in the translation. It was actually a compliment. Get a sense of humor.

Certamente pode haver algum filho da puta aqui e você simplesmente decidiu entrar para o clube.
Este é um fórum internacional e a maioria tenta lidar com as diferenças culturais e questões linguísticas.
Decidir chamar o moderador de nomes depreciativos não é a atitude mais inteligente da sua parte.
Sugiro que você desenvolva um senso de humor melhor.
Daqui para frente: Chega de xingamentos, etc.

 

[dogcat1]

Well, seems like the Micah Parsons has everyone mad about something….

 

[BRICKBURN]

Yes, I work with people, but I have character and limits... treat everyone here with great politeness, and criticism is always accepted, disrespect and ridicule are not, they are not more men than I am. If the topic is unproductive, delete it whenever you want, it was supposed to be something productive and not a generalized fight like it became, or expel me if that is what the majority wants, I have no problem with that!

Then lets bring the discussion around to something useful.

 

[Flbt]

I read this and see the 375 should not be used because the 416? Is better
Well why should the 416 be allowed since the 470 better?
Why allow the 470 when there. A 577.
On and on.
There all ways a better or bigger cartridge where does it stop?

Then add in political rants about commies
But you are wanting to ban a rifle caliber that has been used over 100 years on buff?

 

[DLSJR]

The irony of all this is that I agree with you 100%. The 375 kills buffalo, it's been doing it for over 100 years, and I've killed over a hundred of them with my Sauer 202 in 375 HH, huge animals and at every distance you can imagine! My point is: the 416 kills better, is more efficient and safer. And here I am being crucified for saying that!

We agree for the most part. While I think a 375 H&H is fine for buffalo, the last 7 I’ve shot have all been with my 416 Hoffman and 400 grain Bearclaws for my first shot. I load TSX’s under the Bearclaw. Yes the 416 is, at least in my opinion, about perfect as a buffalo caliber. A 400 grain bullet at 2,400 does get a buffalo’s undivided attention.

But I won’t ever hesitate to use my 375 H&H for buffalo. And, just because my 338 Winchester is my #1 ‘go to’ rifle, I’ll eventually shoot a Buffalo or two with my 338.

 

[Fordy]

Gday 375 fox
I like this below of post #154 & one that a conversation on these grounds will show a more reliable outcome with better than average results with a more civil conversation than yep a blanket statement that gets so many wound up

Breaking down is a better way but hard for some to do for a reason I’m not fully understanding of as if that conversation can take place us as a whole can raise the bar higher than it’s ever been before
These are not words as reality is there it’s just if we can see the wood in the trees

. I’ve been on one early season hunt where shots were marginal in thick brush at pieces of buffalo, I would have preferred my 458 over my 375 in that situation because there is no opportunity to shoot a 2nd time. You get 1 chance under 20 yards

yes

. I could see on your water buffalo hunts there is zero opportunity to track blood in water. Dropping buffalo as fast as possible within sight is an advantage for a larger cartridge over a 375,

Yes but one you come to later

but a 416 or 458 or 600 isn’t going to drop them on spot either with anything less than a spine or brain shot.

Yes & no
More on this in a minute

You didn’t include one description of the numerous dangerous situations the 375 has supposedly put you in. I’d expect those dangerous situations were more the result of poor bullet choices and poor shot placement than the 375, but you’ve provided no details.

You hit the nail on the head & here’s where it goes off the rails so many times as we hear “the critter is dead “ so all good mentality & where this is so hard to have a very good & open discussion as even the report you put up on post 47 of within a 300 yard one shot kill is open for some to be way to far of a impact to tip distance for some others completely fine with it . A great place to start is ones personal criteria imo but another day for that discussion & is one I look forward too

I’ve shot 5 African buffalo with 375 and 2 Australian buffalo with 375. They run 30 to 100 yards and fall over with a good double lung shot. They aren’t invincible

I have a slightly different view & even heart shots can make a considerable distance double lung can depend on what part of the lungs so defining a good double lung is important & not having a go @ you as it’s aimed @ a conversation position not being antagonistic

. I can shoot better, reload faster, and put an appropriate scope on a 375. Those are good qualities in comparison to larger cartridges.

Shouldn’t we be Breaking those down ? ( shoot better , reload faster,appropriate scope & let’s add deflection in here & projectile preformance & probably more)
As per your comment on the 20 yard thick stuff /458 & once again for conversation not having a go

You haven’t discussed any of these. A 416 is also a reasonable choice for the same aspects, but an argument could also be made bullet advancements could also make a 338 a suitable legal minimum today than when 375 was established before monolithic or bonded bullet options.

This above is now getting to a more in depth analysis hmmm bullet advancements
Potentially this is the one that will raise the level of the 375 to even greater heights but if we don’t address all the above especially the “ it’s dead so all good “ mentality we will see the infighting continue

I have a 30 cal bullet that will rival or surpass a lot of the 375 pills on the market today & seen 338 that will give same results of equaling/ surpassing 375 so what can a375 do if it is made the same way ? That I hope to see but once again if the base is not defined clearly we get into the old age problem of us as humans have

Now to be clear I have seen a 375 which consistently outperformed a 500 Jeffery & even on well placed shots & here is where just caliber alone & well placed shots are irrelevant if the pill is not upto the task or sometimes even dosent work as advertised & then I still saw the “but it’s dead” mentality come out from a company

but a better time for conversation on this as I think your last part has some merit & other individuals are no different hence the $hit show this thread has become

It seems you’re more interested in trading insults. The “trust me” a 375 should be banned for buffalo attitude from you isn’t adding any value.

I hope one day we can have a more in depth conversation & time will tell on that

Cheers