People transiting or coming into the country to hunt are not citizens. I never could figure out the reason for that particular rule though it has been there a long while. I just take two different calibers if I stop over on my way to the hunting destination.More restrictive anti-gun legislation from officials that are afraid of the citizens they are supposed to serve?
FYI, anyone transiting through RSA can't have two of the same caliber.
No 416 Rigby available in an R8. Just 416 Rem Mag. If I have to bring two rifles, it kind of defeats the purpose of having an R8. But I do agree the 416 would be a big step in the right direction for elephant. And on the other hand, once you step up to 458 Lott, you have to step up to the big, heavy safari contour barrels, and I detest heavy rifles. Especially when many miles of walking is involved.
Heavy bullets in 375 are 350 gr'ers. They reportedly perform like a .416 (higher V and SD of the 375 make it all but equal to the 416, just not in frontal area/wound channeling for the first shot). Although I gave my 375 to my son in favor of the 416, I truly believe the aforementioned and admit that the 375 has greater utility.I’ve used the 350 gr woodleigh bullets in my .375. The penetration of the 350 gr solid has to be seen to be believed. I made a side brain shot on a big bull elephant and I don’t think it even slowed the bullet down.
That said, I am more comfortable with my .458 Lott on buffalo. It just seems to get their attention.
is that USD or Rand? ?? ???! IF USD, we could buy another decent (prettier, classic, etc.) rifle for that price. I'd far rather have the takedown Dakota than the short plastic thing with the gear shift knob. lol if only they'd open their doors again...
Yep, it is US $.is that USD or Rand? ?? ???! IF USD, we could buy another decent rifle for that price.
Bingo! Thanks BeeMaa for a quick check. His .416 Rem Selous barrel is indeed 23.6".........PS: I will add that in my above post I am quoting the length of the .416 Selous barrel from the EuroOptic website, but I have my doubts. The Blaser Germany documentation seems to indicate that ALL Selous barrels are 23.6".............
In summary,TOBY, we each have our own understanding of what "heavy" means for a rifle, but the weight permutations are almost endless and I hope that this will help:... And on the other hand, once you step up to 458 Lott, you have to step up to the big, heavy safari contour barrels, and I detest heavy rifles. Especially when many miles of walking is involved.
Not to mention how much better you will shoot the rifle for each lb (of recoil absorption) added!Yep, it is US $.
Welcome to the Blaser world. Here is a hint: anything that says Safari or uses an African word (e.g. Selous or Kilombero) is priced essentially double or triple everything else:
Example 1: Pro stock (alloy receiver) $1,500 - Safari stock (steel receiver) $4,500.
Example 2: standard barrel $1,200 - Safari barrel $2,300 - Selous barrel $3,000.
It is truly maddening because the R8 is an ideal system for traveling to Africa (and elsewhere). I maintain that R8 DG prices have nothing to do with production costs and everything to do with marketing to the safari-going clients who are apparently perceived as endlessly wealthy...
Keep an eye out for occasional 40% to 50% discounts when dealers adjust "safari" inventory levels, or "used-as-new" components from folks who did not realize their steel receiver stock with kickstop and Selous barrel combo would weigh in at 13 lbs...
Bingo! Thanks BeeMaa for a quick check. His .416 Rem Selous barrel is indeed 23.6".........
Another ineptitude by EuroOptic. I lost count of the number of erroneous information they have given me by website, email, live chatroom, or telephone calls.
In summary,TOBY, we each have our own understanding of what "heavy" means for a rifle, but the weight permutations are almost endless and I hope that this will help:
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All these rifle weights can be lowered by ~6 oz. if a 13 oz. Leupold 1-6x24 is mounted in place of a 19 oz. Euro (Swaro / Leica / Zeiss / S&B) 1-6x24 scope.
I personally like:
.375 H&H/300 gr around 9.5 to 10 lbs.
.375/350 gr around 10 to 11 lbs.
.416/400 gr around 10.5 to 11.5 lbs.
.458 Lott/500 gr around 11.5 to 12 lbs.
I know that I lean on the "heavy" side of the argument, but, as I said elsewhere, if it all comes down to the notion of "an additional 1 lb. will be felt at the end of a long hunting day," to which I wholeheartedly agree, it will do me a lot more good to loose 10 lbs. of belly fat before the hunt, rather than to shave 1.5 lbs. of rifle weight
It is another value of the R8 to offer so many possibilities...
Amen!Not to mention how much better you will shoot the rifle for each lb (of recoil absorption) added!
Amen again!Win or Montana M70 (or M98) $1K. Talley bases/rings $0.2K. Decent Leupold/Trijicon scope $1K. E.R. Shaw barrel of your chambering and specs $0.4K. NECG open sights, installed $0.3K. HS Precision Stock w/ pillars and bedding block $0.5K. Timney trigger $0.1K. Total=$3.5K. .......
I am on record in my Blaser transition review (https://www.africahunting.com/threa...aser-r8-a-two-months-500-rounds-review.60483/) explaining why I finally went the Blaser route:... Buy 2-3 in your fav calibers and call it a day (for less than the Blaser) and pick up an SKB multi-gun (2 or 4) case...
I live not too far from EuroOptic and have never, ever had a problem with them. Yes, they are over-taxed with international mail orders (the bulk of their business) due to the Chinavirus and the new Chinese diplomat Jo-Bi Din based guns/ammo panic. But, when I want something I simply drive there and check it out first-hand prior to purchase. It's not too difficult to double-check specs on the mfr page (I see these irregularities all the time in guns advertised for sale on-line by all middlemen!) I myself wouldn't cry if they said it was 23.6" and it turned out to be 24.1.
My gun case has been overweight in numerous hunting trips. In some cases, they just let it go and check the case, in others I pull out my wallet and pay the 0.5% relative-to-safari cost fee and settle into my seat. Airlines aren't in the habit of kicking you off flights and returning your ticket fees. It's not good business. I'm also leery of the std CZs as I've seen a few where the scope rings rip off the integral bases in heavy recoiling calibers. I believe some of the safari 550s and BRNOs had std. large magnum Mauser receivers set up for traditional bases and rings. Those i like! I would consider this, however... Hmm hot .338 in one bbl and .416 in the other. Just before they closed their doors, we were speaking about a .470 Capstick model!Amen!
I have a long record of being an upgraded CZ 550 patron (matched triplet in .300 Wby, .375 H&H, .416 Rigby) and I understand and agree with everything you say
But, but, but, there is one more aspect...
I am on record in my Blaser transition review (https://www.africahunting.com/threa...aser-r8-a-two-months-500-rounds-review.60483/) explaining why I finally went the Blaser route:
The first main reason why I bought a Blaser R8 is best illustrated by these two pictures:
CZ 550 + Krieghoff Big Five = 2 calibers to Africa in a rifle case <50 lbs. and <62" linear...
Blaser R8 + Krieghoff Big Five = 3 calibers to Africa in a rifle case <50 lbs. and <62" linear...
To the best of my knowledge, there is simply no other way than a R8 (or similar) to bring 3 calibers to Africa, within the maximum weight (50 lbs.) and within the maximum linear size (62") allowed by the airlines.
Then I discovered how truly well thought out and well executed the system is, and I am not afraid to say that I was converted...
PS: I am sure EuroOptic provides fine face to face service when their role is simply to let you garner by yourself the info you want by handling the product. This being said, the folks they have doing their website, and on the phone, have been, at least in my modest experience, truly not knowledgeable... Maybe I was just unlucky... or maybe my expectations are too high... but I do expect folks to know what they are selling (especially at Blaser prices)... One error is no big deal, half a dozen is too much in my book.
it'd take 4 such trips to buy just 1 extra bbl for the blaser, not factoring in the significant add'l. cost of the gun. still wise use of funds! the remaining $1,700 USD saved in just 1 trip can be invested and another rifle be built in time or another safari downpayment made. i bet PHs would fully agree with that logic.Last time it happened in my presence (to a friend of mine) it involved ~$100 per flight and we had 6 flights (Phoenix to New York; New York to Johannesburg; Johannesburg to East London; then return). I personally can think of better ways to spend $600, but to each our own