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BSO Dave said:

Not sure why this link is addressed to my attention..? If you think you are educating me you are mistaken. I can quote these statistics in my sleep. I'm the one who used to compile and provide them for the FBI's national data base for my department. Regardless, the numbers in your link are reflective of a completely different set of dynamics than the numbers I provided which indicates that based on the entire US population, police kill whites nearly 3 times more frequently than any other race. The data that you linked shows that blacks are 2 times more likely to be killed by police. Both statistics are true, however, the latter is a more significant and telling statistic considering that blacks disproportionately commit an average of 40% of all violent crimes in the USA while representing only 13% of the total US population as a race.

To my original point posted earlier, let's all assume for a minute that we can take the elements of emotion and race out of the equation and just look objectively at those numbers which speak for themselves. The conclusion is pretty simple. If you statistically commit more violent crime as a group, you are going to be more likely to have violent interaction with police as a group.

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Just to be clear, are you saying that black people are more likely to commit crimes, or that crimes are more likely to be committed by black people? There is a huge difference between these two statements.

Have you also considered that these statistics are being influenced by policing patterns? For example, the most arrests in Chicago are in the Austin neighborhood, a predominately low income black neighborhood adjacent to predominately high income white neighborhoods, while most shootings occur in the Englewood neighborhood. Because policing is heavier in neighborhoods near high income white neighborhoods, there are a greater number of arrests and therefore higher statistics for the demographics in those neighborhoods, rather than an actually accurate statistical representation of criminal activity.

CJW said:

This is only the start. The preliminary autopsy is out showing no asphyxiation and more video is finally getting out showing resistance, more details of what lead up to the arrest and kinds of intoxicants in his system will come to light. What happens if charges are lowered or worse? Remember, this is happening when EVERYONE agrees.



Is it too late for white people to riot over the beheading or nearly so of two white people when black people cheered a not guilty verdict for a black man?

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I believe the most recent video and reconstruction is showing exactly the opposite. A simple arrest was escalated by the actions of a few officers sworn to protect the public. At best, this reconstruction shows that the officers demonstrated what lawyers would call a “depraved indifference” to human life.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html?referringSource=articleShare

It also shows a man collapsing to the ground, seems like on his own, and reportedly saying he was claustrophobic and didn't want to get into the vehicle. Then when he is in the vehicle there appears to be a struggle and that's when he is pulled out. I think that it will be classified as resisting. He may have allowed himself to be handcuffed but wasn't so obliging afterwards. He also had intoxicants in his system that we all know changes someone's state of mind.

JMO and not making excuses for the leo's ultimate actions.


I always think back to what a friend of mine said about getting arrested for dui. Quote, "He had handcuffs, badge and a gun. I called him sir!"

CJW said:

It also shows a man collapsing to the ground, seems like on his own, and reportedly saying he was claustrophobic and didn't want to get into the vehicle. Then when he is in the vehicle there appears to be a struggle and that's when he is pulled out. I think that it will be classified as resisting. He may have allowed himself to be handcuffed but wasn't so obliging afterwards. He also had intoxicants in his system that we all know changes someone's state of mind.

JMO and not making excuses for the leo's ultimate actions.


I always think back to what a friend of mine said about getting arrested for dui. Quote, "He had handcuffs, badge and a gun. I called him sir!"

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Same thing I told my kids about interactions with the police. Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. We agree on that.

Note the one of the officers in the video is ordering Mr. Floyd to get into the car and he says he can't. I guess that was resisting. The fact that he couldn't get into the car because he had an officer's knee on his neck and two more officers on the rest of him is likely irrelevant.

Hank2211 said:

Note the one of the officers in the video is ordering Mr. Floyd to get into the car and he says he can't. I guess that was resisting. The fact that he couldn't get into the car because he had an officer's knee on his neck and two more officers on the rest of him is likely irrelevant.

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I was talking about him initially getting into the car. From the sidewalk side. He was being lead to the car and collapsed seemingly on his own then turned to say he didn't want to and was claustrophobic. And, on top of it apparently a struggle once in the car. Even the narrator said he refused to get in. You can tell even from a distance he was agitated and was resisting.

Saul said:

Just to be clear, are you saying that black people are more likely to commit crimes, or that crimes are more likely to be committed by black people? There is a huge difference between these two statements.

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I'm not making any statement one way or the other. The statistics speak for themselves. You are free to interpret them as you please.

As far as the convoluted assertion that the crime rate is higher in some of these communities only where policing is more vigorously enforced, my experience dictates that the opposite of that is true in that police usually have a higher presence in certain communities specifically because the volume of reported crime is exponentially higher in those communities. There is a huge difference in these two assertions as well.

To the broader point, I believe that too many of the pundits, politicians, and race-baiters have wasted generations of precious energy trying to deny, justify, or rationalize these alarming numbers rather than take a hard, objective look, and acknowledge the harsh unpleasantness of what they represent. Then, and only then, can we collectively address the shortfalls and deficiencies of these communities where the common denominator is always the same. It's very difficult to blame race when you have communities where 88% of violent crimes are black-on-black.

Having resided in Chicago (Hyde Park) during the reign of Richard J Daley I can say if it was not the origin of, it certainly supported the definition: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics. But also to paraphrase the old prospector: Crime is where you find it.

You also have to learn those skills .

CJW said:

The problem is that critical thinking skills have gone out the window in this day and age.

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Under the Heading of You Get What You Pay For, I wonder how much the family and the Bolshevik attorney paid for the autopsy that said what they wanted, which differed from the official autopsy.

"...shows that Mr. Chauvin did not remove his knee even after Mr. Floyd lost consciousness, and for a full minute after paramedics arrived at the scene."

You put a hold on a fellow for a minute after he has lost conciousness what will happen?

The stats are meaningless other than to cloud the issue. There are so many other socio-economic determinants that the stats do not, as stated, speak for themselves.

What were they attempting to achieve by pulling him out of the back of the Cruiser, and applying force to his neck for until he stopped breathing and then for a full minute after he is unconscious and the paramedics arrive? If this isnt a legitimate police technique then it was intended to inflict as much harm as possible. So why the malice? I suspect not getting into the car does not provoke that kind of hatred. So, what does? Was this just murder or a hate crime?

An independent autopsy found that George Floyd's death was a homicide and the unarmed black man died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

The autopsy says compression to Floyd's neck and back led to a lack of blood flow to his brain.
Floyd was essentially "dead on the scene" in Minneapolis on May 25, said Ben Crump, attorney for the Floyd family. Multiple videos of Floyd's death show former police officer Derek Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, along with other officers kneeling on his back.
Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total and two minutes and 53 seconds after Floyd was unresponsive, according to a criminal complaint released by the Hennepin County Attorney's Office.

"The ambulance was his hearse," Crump told reporters Monday. "George died because he needed a breath. He needed a breath of air."
"There is no other health issue that could cause or contribute to the death," said Dr. Michael Baden, one of the independent medical examiners. "Police have this false impression that if you can talk, you can breathe. That's not true."
CNN reached out to Hennepin County officials after the press conference for comment.
A homicide is the death of a person caused by another person. It includes murder and manslaughter.
Chauvin is charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. Crump said he should be charged with first-degree murder.
The independent autopsy's findings come after the Hennepin County Medical Examiner found "no physical findings" to "support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation," according to the criminal complaint.
Preliminary autopsy results cited in the complaint said combined effects of being restrained, any potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, probably contributed to his death. Toxicology results can take weeks.
Floyd's cause and manner of death remain pending and is being investigated by local, state and federal law enforcement, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office said in a statement.

CJW said:

It also shows a man collapsing to the ground, seems like on his own, and reportedly saying he was claustrophobic and didn't want to get into the vehicle. Then when he is in the vehicle there appears to be a struggle and that's when he is pulled out. I think that it will be classified as resisting. He may have allowed himself to be handcuffed but wasn't so obliging afterwards. He also had intoxicants in his system that we all know changes someone's state of mind.

JMO and not making excuses for the leo's ultimate actions.


I always think back to what a friend of mine said about getting arrested for dui. Quote, "He had handcuffs, badge and a gun. I called him sir!"

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My friend got arrested for DUI. The whole back of his pick-up was full of beer cans. The officer ask him how much he had to drink. Lyle said not much more than a case. I said damn Lyle why you tell him that. Lyle said you can't lie to the man they have ways of finding out.

Ray B said:

Under the Heading of You Get What You Pay For, I wonder how much the family and the Bolshevik attorney paid for the autopsy that said what they wanted, which differed from the official autopsy.

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Any chance that logic applies to the first autopsy - with a city looking to avoid liability for wrongful death, rather than to the second?

But perhaps you have inside information.

'Keep your mouth shut,' Police chief responds to Trump. Very well said.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...ce-chief-art-acevedo-trump-mouth-shut-vpx.cnn

It's this simple:

Hogpatrol said:

It's this simple:

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Haven't laughed that hard in a while.

Thanks for sharing!!!

One political shit show after another in the USA. I despise leftists, and the media lapdogs, with every fiber of my being.

CNN = Commie News Network

I'm getting old, but not too old to remember less tha 2 weeks ago. Wasn't that long ago I remember the media chastising people protesting the "lock down". Media was going apeshit out of their way to badmouth the protesters for not social distancing. However, the last 3-4 days, not a lot said about the "protesters"/ rioters/ looters not distancing. Amazing hypocrisy! So what are we being programmed for?

Gregg Popovich: Trump is an idiot.

35bore said:

I'm getting old, but not too old to remember less tha 2 weeks ago. Wasn't that long ago I remember the media chastising people protesting the "lock down". Media was going apeshit out of their way to badmouth the protesters for not social distancing. However, the last 3-4 days, not a lot said about the "protesters"/ rioters/ looters not distancing. Amazing hypocrisy! So what are we being programmed for?

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When it comes to keeping distance and wearing masks, Trump is not a role model either.
As an outsider, can someone please explain to me the symbolism of the president, why he went to church under police escort and held the Bible?